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The Religion Thread: A Believer-Atheist Alliance

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St. Clown said:
Au contraire your derierre.
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So to sum it all up freshwater enthronements are too shallow to swim in, lack large supplies of food needed for survival, can be very hazardous to their health due to pollution and is too small of an environment for whales to live in.
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I don't think Superior is too shallow to swim in, may have enough food for some whales, is certainly not too small and pollution is not generally an issue in Superior. We're not talking about Erie here. It is like that article was written by someone who knows NOTHING about large lakes.
 
Timothy A said:
We had a great sermon last night on this very subject, I wish I could post it here. It would provide some insight. I'll try and at least post the passages, they expand on the controversial word "submit". It's not as hardcore a putdown of women as its being thought as.
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Let's ignore the submit portion for now. "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing..."

Reading that literally, not only does it tell women to shut up and make babies, but it places the sole blame for original sin on them too.

Again, fark that ****.
 
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Timothy A said:
We had a great sermon last night on this very subject, I wish I could post it here. It would provide some insight. I'll try and at least post the passages, they expand on the controversial word "submit". It's not as hardcore a putdown of women as its being thought as.
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So I've told this story before...but I was at a sermon of sorts. And the topic came up of men being 'the first foot forward' in the relationship. As a guy, I was surprised by this...I have always thought of men and women being absolutely equal (although different in ways). I brought this up to a group of 7 women in the subsequent small group that I thought this was off base and I didn't support men being in any sort of differentiated position. But all 7 women disagreed with me. They said they wanted men to take charge...they're sincere hope was to have a really good man to follow. I still think women everywhere have desires more or less to follow...which to this day still greatly surprises me.
 
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5mn_Major said:
So I've told this story before...but I was at a sermon of sorts. And the topic came up of men being 'the first foot forward' in the relationship. As a guy, I was surprised by this...I have always thought of men and women being absolutely equal (although different in ways). I brought this up to a group of 7 women in the subsequent small group that I thought this was off base and I didn't support men being in any sort of differentiated position. But all 7 women disagreed with me. They said they wanted men to take charge...they're sincere hope was to have a really good man to follow. I still think women everywhere have desires more or less to follow...which to this day still greatly surprises me.
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Ahem.
 
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5mn_Major said:
I'm not sure that Mrs. Kepler is a better sample and based on her husband, any less susceptible to self selection. Women want a guy to take charge.
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No, women in your group want a guy to take charge. Women as a whole don't "want" anything because women as a whole is just an abstraction. You may as well say women speak Chinese. It's more defensible than your statement.

It cracks me up that a hockey board full of males is going to opine sagely on "what women want." :p
 
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Kepler said:
No, women in your group want a guy to take charge. Women as a whole don't "want" anything because women as a whole is just an abstraction. You may as well say women speak Chinese. It's more defensible than your statement.

It cracks me up that a hockey board full of males is going to opine sagely on "what women want." :p
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Including yourself opining in the very same post.
 
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Kepler said:
Except I'm not saying "what women want." I know I don't know. Do you really honestly not see that difference?
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There is a vein of truth in what 5mn is saying, though I think he goes too far in saying all women want it, as I don't think you can probably say "all" about most anything related to a group as big and diverse as the women of this world. But I know your narrative is that there is no difference between men and women and if there appears to be it's all just conditioning, etc. To me that's utter poppycock, but it's as you say in the other thread.
 
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Hold on while I get some popcorn. When I get back I want to hear more about what Mrs. Kepler is probably like based on her choice of mate.
 
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Bob Gray said:
But I know your narrative is that there is no difference between men and women and if there appears to be it's all just conditioning, etc.
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No, you only assume that, as is the case with most of what you "know" about me. And in this case you could not be more inaccurate.
 
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Kepler said:
No, you only assume that, as is the case with most of what you "know" about me. And in this case you could not be more inaccurate.
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I've heard you say it many times around here. We've discussed it a lot at times. If you wish to backtrack on what you've said in the past on that, I'd be most interested.
 
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geezer said:
Hold on while I get some popcorn. When I get back I want to hear more about what Mrs. Kepler is probably like based on her choice of mate.
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That's Dr. Mrs. Kepler to you, buddy. :cool:

And all one can assume from her choice of mate is she is a woman of much patience and little discernment.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I've heard you say it many times around here. We've discussed it a lot at times. If you wish to backtrack on what you've said in the past on that, I'd be most interested.
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Except I've never said that. I've said "people never change" -- i.e., time has not changed the basics of humanity. And I've said "people are all the same," but it's always been in the context of say whites vs blacks or French vs Russians -- i.e., race and ethnicity make no difference.

As many have attested here, your confidence in your paranormal abilities is unwarranted.

In any case, I have no idea what women want "outside of" culture because that's meaningless -- we are always inside of our cultures. The closest I can come to an observation is the more legal and religious restraints on women are loosened, the less submissive they become, which suggests that those constraints have been excessive when compared with their own wishes, and that's entirely consistent with a history of power in which women were secondary. I don't think even you would argue that.
 
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If you make the assumption women want guys to take charge...plan on being correct.

Google it (for example 'women like take charge' or even 'women don't like take charge'). You will hundreds of articles on how women want men to take charge...and almost none that they don't want men to take charge. And these typically not Christian women speaking on this. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=women+like+take+charge
 
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Kepler said:
Except I've never said that. I've said "people never change" -- i.e., time has not changed the basics of humanity. And I've said "people are all the same," but it's always been in the context of say whites vs blacks or French vs Russians -- i.e., race and ethnicity make no difference.

As many have attested here, your confidence in your paranormal abilities is unwarranted.

In any case, I have no idea what women want "outside of" culture because that's meaningless -- we are always inside of our cultures. The closest I can come to an observation is the more legal and religious restraints on women are loosened, the less submissive they become, which suggests that those constraints have been excessive when compared with their own wishes, and that's entirely consistent with a history of power in which women were secondary. I don't think even you would argue that.
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You really don't remember our discussions on there being (or not being) inherent differences between men and women? A lot of it was in the context of child development. Well, I recall them quite clearly, but I have no desire to search thousands and thousands of Kepler posts to show you.

The things are always the same topic is a different one, so let's not cross wires here or we'll understand each other even less than usual.
 
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