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The PPACA Thread Part VI: Tax Cuts Are More Important Than Your Health Care!

joecct said:
Yes. But to implement it will cause massive teeth grinding among the current players. To get them to buy in will take an enormous amount of arm twisting and time. You can't force them because any legislation (based on the current cast of DC characters) will F it up even worse.

However, if somebody does not want to purchase health insurance, that's their business. They will then have to pay the cost of their care accordng to their means. Bill Gates pays full cost. Homeless Jane pays zilch.
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I don’t think you get it. France has substantial social program funding. Paid maternity, subsidized daycare, gov workers who visit new moms and help with housework..frances system is a result of all this not just insurance
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part VI: Tax Cuts Are More Important Than Your Health Care!

joecct said:
Yes. But to implement it will cause massive teeth grinding among the current players. To get them to buy in will take an enormous amount of arm twisting and time. You can't force them because any legislation (based on the current cast of DC characters) will F it up even worse.

However, if somebody does not want to purchase health insurance, that's their business. They will then have to pay the cost of their care accordng to their means. Bill Gates pays full cost. Homeless Jane pays zilch.
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okay, so you don't really want to emulate France (where insurance is compulsory).

You want the ****tiest most expensive system possible. got it.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
I don’t think you get it. France has substantial social program funding. Paid maternity, subsidized daycare, gov workers who visit new moms and help with housework..frances system is a result of all this not just insurance
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I know. And to put something like that in place here needs a culture change from top to bottom. You can't change the culture just by wishing or forcing it. It will take education and arm twisting.
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part VI: Tax Cuts Are More Important Than Your Health Care!

joecct said:
Tom Yawkey didn't. Paid cash or check.
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He's got insurance. Just because he pays cash or check doesn't mean he doesn't have some coverage somewhere. Stop being silly.
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part VI: Tax Cuts Are More Important Than Your Health Care!

joecct said:
I know. And to put something like that in place here needs a culture change from top to bottom. You can't change the culture just by wishing or forcing it. It will take education and arm twisting.
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Again though France is compulsory which is how it works. Opting out cant be an option or your whole theory craps the bed.
 
Handyman said:
Again though France is compulsory which is how it works. Opting out cant be an option or your whole theory craps the bed.
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No no no! Treat the two as 2 separate incidences. Currently opt out is a current option and if you do, you pay what you can afford. Homeless Jane would get the same amount of care as Bill Gates, only Jane would pay zilch and Bill would be full pay.

As an alternative to the mess we've gotten ourselves into and can't seem to find a way out of without making it worse, France deserves a long hard look.
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part VI: Tax Cuts Are More Important Than Your Health Care!

joecct said:
No no no! Treat the two as 2 separate incidences. Currently opt out is a current option and if you do, you pay what you can afford. Homeless Jane would get the same amount of care as Bill Gates, only Jane would pay zilch and Bill would be full pay.

As an alternative to the mess we've gotten ourselves into and can't seem to find a way out of without making it worse, France deserves a long hard look.
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Define "what you can afford". See the problem? You should.
 
joecct said:
you pay what you can afford. Homeless Jane would get the same amount of care as Bill Gates, only Jane would pay zilch and Bill would be full pay.
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And those with insurance pay for the Janes of the world. At that point, just go single payer and fund it through your general taxation.

Because your proposed system is literally the worst of all worlds.
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part VI: Tax Cuts Are More Important Than Your Health Care!

Two of Virginia’s ObamaCare insurers are requesting significant premium hikes for 2019, according to initial filings released Friday.

Both Cigna and CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield cited policies advocated by the Trump administration, including the repeal of ObamaCare’s individual mandate, as part of its justifications for the increases.
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http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...virginia-propose-major-premium-hikes-for-2019

Hey Trump!!! **** you.
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part VI: Tax Cuts Are More Important Than Your Health Care!

Got told last week I was an idiot for even considering this newsworthy. After all, all of this is nothing.

http://www.startribune.com/justice-...verage-for-pre-existing-conditions/484932271/

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration's decision to stop defending in court the Obama health law's popular protections for consumers with pre-existing conditions could prove risky for Republicans in the midterm elections — and nudge premiums even higher.

The Justice Department said in a court filing late Thursday that it will no longer defend key parts of the Affordable Care Act, beginning with the unpopular requirement that people carry health insurance, but also including widely-supported provisions that guarantee access for people with medical problems and limit what insurers can charge older, sicker adults.

Friday, the insurance industry warned in stark terms of "harm that would come to millions of Americans" if such protections are struck down, causing premiums "to go even higher for older Americans and sicker patients."

Weighing in on a Texas challenge to the health law, the Justice Department argued that legally and practically the popular consumer protections cannot be separated from the unpopular insurance mandate, which Congress has repealed, effective next year.

That argument is likely to be lost on consumers, said Robert Blendon, a polling expert at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health — particularly in the heat of an election that will determine control of Congress.

"The pre-existing condition thing is what the ads will be run on," said Blendon. "Pre-existing conditions have gotten to be an issue that people walking on the streets understand ... it's very emotional."
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Re: The PPACA Thread Part VI: Tax Cuts Are More Important Than Your Health Care!

Rover said:
So you were so upset about it you decided to post the same thing to a different thread? :confused:
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Different article. I'm going to post in this thread every article that comes up on the topic.
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part VI: Tax Cuts Are More Important Than Your Health Care!

ACA is alive and well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This week a Minnesotan shared with my office that some expecting moms in her community have had to take out loans—yes, loans—to cover the costs of their children’s deliveries. More here: <a href="https://t.co/PaFR5U2yWm">https://t.co/PaFR5U2yWm</a> <a href="https://t.co/ELQMjff8rI">pic.twitter.com/ELQMjff8rI</a></p>— Senator Tina Smith (@SenTinaSmith) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenTinaSmith/status/1025106107516243973?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Re: The PPACA Thread Part VI: Tax Cuts Are More Important Than Your Health Care!

ScoobyDoo said:
ACA is alive and well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This week a Minnesotan shared with my office that some expecting moms in her community have had to take out loans—yes, loans—to cover the costs of their children’s deliveries. More here: <a href="https://t.co/PaFR5U2yWm">https://t.co/PaFR5U2yWm</a> <a href="https://t.co/ELQMjff8rI">pic.twitter.com/ELQMjff8rI</a></p>— Senator Tina Smith (@SenTinaSmith) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenTinaSmith/status/1025106107516243973?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Whiny Conservative Boomers: "If you can't afford kids, don't have them!!!!!!!!!"

Also Whiny Conservative Boomers, to their kids: "Why aren't you giving us grandkids?!?!?!?!"
 
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