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The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

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Kepler said:
Even Republicans who are rich are dumb. If you destroy the planet there's nowhere to keep all your stuff.

Imagine if real wages had kept growing from the 70s through now the way they did from the 30s through the 70s. Just imagine how rich shareholders and business owners would be now. In real assets, too, not just quack accounting.

Sadly, the only people who benefit from Republican economics are the rent-seeking rich who are incapable of thriving in a true free market with well-paid, well-informed customers. It's a mechanism for freezing social mobility and ensuring that nth generation heirs never drop back into the gen pop due to their incompetence. And the price of that is the entire American economy, not to mention the happiness and in many cases the actual lives and safety of hundreds of millions of people.

And all this happens in a democratic state -- people vote for it. There is absolutely no reason we couldn't restore the 1950 tax rates today. All we need are the votes.

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Those historical rates are misleading as they're strictly nominal, not effective rates. Nobody was paying 91% of their last dollar earned in taxes, not when they could deduct their rug or lamp shades as home improvement expenses. Find a historical analysis of top-earning individual effective rates, and the graph will look much different, much more consistent. They're still paying less now, as a rate, than prior, but it's not such a drastic change.
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

St. Clown said:
Those historical rates are misleading as they're strictly nominal, not effective rates. Nobody was paying 91% of their last dollar earned in taxes, not when they could deduct their rug or lamp shades as home improvement expenses. Find a historical analysis of top-earning individual effective rates, and the graph will look much different, much more consistent. They're still paying less now, as a rate, than prior, but it's not such a drastic change.
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This is a greatly overblown criticism. Hauser's Law is bunk.
 
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Rover said:
This is known as "Saving Your Own A ss"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/us/politics/alexander-murray-deal-obamacare-subsidies.html
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“It is a short-term solution,” he said, adding that the long-term solution is to issue “block grants” to states to help people buy private insurance.
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Another lie. Block Grants don't solve anything. What is the solution? He doesn't know. He doesn't care to know. But, you'll vote for him anyway cause he'll lie to you and say "Block Grants" over and over again while Paul Ryan wets his pants.
 
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Rover said:
This is known as "Saving Your Own A ss"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/us/politics/alexander-murray-deal-obamacare-subsidies.html
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From the article:

Mr. Alexander said that in addition to funding the payments to insurers, the deal would also give states “more flexibility in the variety of choices they can give to consumers,”
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Translation for red states: yes to Viagra, no to birth control or breast cancer screenings
 
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Rover said:
Sure they do! You can use health care dollars to pay for tax cuts for the rich!
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If they get another SCOTUS justice the state will start reserving medical care to white Christians.
 
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Yet another last-ditch effort to tackle the nation’s health-care system stalled within hours of its release by a bipartisan pair of senators Tuesday, with President Trump sending mixed signals and Republicans either declining to endorse the proposal or outright opposing it.
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Here's how bipartisanship goes with Republicans in charge.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.75c3762bf173
 
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Didnt they have an agreement yesterday? What did a bunch of Ole Whitey's change their mind?
 
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Handyman said:
Didnt they have an agreement yesterday? What did a bunch of Ole Whitey's change their mind?
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Patty Murray and Lamar Alexander did. That doesn't mean the House passes it or Rand Paul and Mike Lee don't throw a hissy fit.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Patty Murray and Lamar Alexander did. That doesn't mean the House passes it or Rand Paul and Mike Lee don't throw a hissy fit.
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Passing the Senate is possible, if unlikely. 48+ half a dozen Repubs could be done.Getting the House to even vote is a pipe dream.
 
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The way around this is to jam it into the next govt shutdown/debt ceiling hike as a condition of Dem support. Goopers don't have enough votes to pass either on their own and Chump will just make it look like he's willing to make a deal with anyone to get things done, all the while hanging Itch and Weasel Paul Ryan out to dry.
 
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Handyman said:
Should make for a fun talking point...especially when the GOP tries to get tax reform done.
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that's done. isn't mccain brokering a deal now to open up budget space? thought mookie read it is bought and paid for. easy peasy
 
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He cuts the CSR's through executive order. Asks Congress to fix it. They come up with a bipartisan deal and............

WASHINGTON (AP) — A bipartisan Senate deal to curb the growth of health insurance premiums is reeling after President Donald Trump reversed course and opposed the agreement, and top congressional Republicans and conservatives gave it a frosty reception.
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http://www.sunjournal.com/news/nati...-emerging-bipartisan-health-care-deal/2219356

And Democrats are the obstructionists?

In an evening speech at the conservative Heritage Foundation, he said that "while I commend" the work by the two senators, "I continue to believe Congress must find a solution to the Obamacare mess instead of providing bailouts to insurance companies."
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"This agreement avoids chaos," Alexander said. "I don't know a Republican or Democrat who benefits from chaos."
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Good luck, Mr. Alexander. The POTUS loves chaos. He thrives on it. He'll get reelected on it.
 
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St. Clown said:
Those historical rates are misleading as they're strictly nominal, not effective rates. Nobody was paying 91% of their last dollar earned in taxes, not when they could deduct their rug or lamp shades as home improvement expenses. Find a historical analysis of top-earning individual effective rates, and the graph will look much different, much more consistent. They're still paying less now, as a rate, than prior, but it's not such a drastic change.
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Not only that, but evidently this person thinks income tax is the only way the government gets money. How did the country survive for ~125 years prior to 1913? ;)
 
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