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Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
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The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
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Agree on the sad ignorance of single payer. That would have been a much better and cheaper way forward than either Obamacare or Trumpcare.
I really think democrats are foolish to ignore the people getting a raw deal from Obamacare. There need to be changes made so their costs are at a reasonable level. The dems should start pushing legislation to show they have solutions even if there isn't much chance of it passing right now.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
This is another potential strategy: concern trolling. It helps turn the attention off the GOP and back where they want it to be: "Those Democrats are out of touch!!!" And it is attractive because it puts off the tough self-criticism that Republicans need to eventually suck up and do.
The GOP has stepped in it, Drew. They've inculcated a worldview in their supporters where compromise is weakness or even treason, and that prevents them from getting anything done. They say demonstrably false things for applause lines and to prime donations, but then can't deliver because no one can: the world they paint does not exist. They spent multiple generations building their Parallel Universe and pushing their voters into it. Now they are stuck.
The Democrats have been ceded the field of reality and really all we need to do is operate within it and tell the truth. Voters don't reward truth, Walter Mondale and Ronald Reagan demonstrated 33 years ago that between a hard truth and a pretty lie voters will pick the lie. But they do reward competence indirectly when things run more smoothly and right now we're the only side that even has a hope of competence because we're the only side living in reality.
This is another potential strategy: concern trolling. It helps turn the attention off the GOP and back where they want it to be: "Those Democrats are out of touch!!!" And it is attractive because it puts off the tough self-criticism that Republicans need to eventually suck up and do.
The GOP has stepped in it, Drew. They've inculcated a worldview in their supporters where compromise is weakness or even treason, and that prevents them from getting anything done. They say demonstrably false things for applause lines and to prime donations, but then can't deliver because no one can: the world they paint does not exist. They spent multiple generations building their Parallel Universe and pushing their voters into it. Now they are stuck.
The Democrats have been ceded the field of reality and really all we need to do is operate within it and tell the truth. Voters don't reward truth, Walter Mondale and Ronald Reagan demonstrated 33 years ago that between a hard truth and a pretty lie voters will pick the lie. But they do reward competence indirectly when things run more smoothly and right now we're the only side that even has a hope of competence because we're the only side living in reality.
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Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
Listen to any Democrat. None of them say that the ACA is perfect. All of them are willing to work the parts that people are having problems with.
What it takes for them to work on that are republicans willing to do that.
IMHO, it's foolish to throw out the ACA because it's not perfect for everyone out of the gate. Anything can be fixed.
Listen to any Democrat. None of them say that the ACA is perfect. All of them are willing to work the parts that people are having problems with.
What it takes for them to work on that are republicans willing to do that.
IMHO, it's foolish to throw out the ACA because it's not perfect for everyone out of the gate. Anything can be fixed.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
Not to mention that at least half of what's wrong with ObamaCare is directly the result of the GOP intentionally sabotaging it.
Not to mention that at least half of what's wrong with ObamaCare is directly the result of the GOP intentionally sabotaging it.
I think saying America has stepped in it might be a better description. You're unfortunately right about the Republican Party. They've lost the plot and it's not very obvious how they get their act together. This is by no means an endorsement of the democrats. If there was ever a time to launch a mainstream third party surely it is now.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
Of course. Ever since Turtle Boy and the Bone Man took over the Democrats haven't been able to Govern ****.
Of course. Ever since Turtle Boy and the Bone Man took over the Democrats haven't been able to Govern ****.
The party is not a joke. The leadership needs to be replaced.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
Oh, yes it is. Have you read the platform? Have you seen what Walker and Brownback have done? Have you seen some of the **** Texas has pulled? How about North Carolina. They are a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, yes it is. Have you read the platform? Have you seen what Walker and Brownback have done? Have you seen some of the **** Texas has pulled? How about North Carolina. They are a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
McCain is dying and will be replaced by either some bot-like replacement or a Democrat.
Collins isn't getting primaried like stated by others.
Murkowski will either get primaried and run independently again and win or be replaced by a Democrat because the Republican candidate will be a nut job. But Murkowski has 5 years to reelection and that's enough time to build a warchest to make sure she won't get primaried.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
I agree it's not a joke. The GOP is a step to the right away from a white nationalist fascist party. That's not the leadership, it's the rank and file.
I agree it's not a joke. The GOP is a step to the right away from a white nationalist fascist party. That's not the leadership, it's the rank and file.
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
I haven't lived in AZ for about a decade, but they aren't electing a D Senator for probably another decade or more.
I haven't lived in AZ for about a decade, but they aren't electing a D Senator for probably another decade or more.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
The Democrats have been the centrist mainstream party ever since Bill Clinton. What we need is for both parties to slide to the left and become a reasonable left and a reasonable right, and then to gently oscillate between those two. What we have had for twenty years is staggering jolts between a center platform and a radical right wing Utopian political experiment that has failed.
The Democrats have been the centrist mainstream party ever since Bill Clinton. What we need is for both parties to slide to the left and become a reasonable left and a reasonable right, and then to gently oscillate between those two. What we have had for twenty years is staggering jolts between a center platform and a radical right wing Utopian political experiment that has failed.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Name recognition is a big thing in politics and I'd doubt there are very many Rs in Arizona that have name recognition that aren't fully nutty.
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
Then you will be getting a fully nutty R.
Then you will be getting a fully nutty R.
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
There is no way that no name Brakey is going to beat Angust King, also one of the most popular senators.
There is no way that no name Brakey is going to beat Angust King, also one of the most popular senators.
E.J. Smith
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Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
There are 3 animating principles of the Republican Party, and only 3:
• Do anything and everything to enrich their plutocrat masters
• Oppose anything any liberal ever said might even slightly be a good idea (clean water is now a liberal thing…?)
• Dismantle anything the Kenyan Muslim did
(And even those last 2 are more for chits and giggles than anything else, and are never to interfere with the first one.)
Education, health care, clean air/water, the rule of law, upward mobility, peace – no interest whatsoever. That’s not just a party leadership thing, that goes to the marrow of the party. That is who they are. I know self-delusion has always been a big favorite with conservatives but some of you old-school guys are taking it to a new extreme with your continued, knee-jerk support of a party that was hi-jacked from you wholesale over the last 15 years.
Joe, you seem more like an old-school, traditional Republican than the newer alt-right, Tea Bagger model. As such, the thinking displayed in your posts contains the usual gaping logical shortcomings, profound lack of awareness, and refusal to connect even the most connectable of dots if it doesn’t suit your position but stops way short of the literally insane, outright fascist lunacy that’s in favor in the party at this time. (Tangent, how do you not see that you have far more in common with the current Democratic Party than this collection of sociopaths? Is it really a case of “I decided at 18 I was a Republican and it would be a sign of weakness to ever change that”? This isn’t Red Sox / Yankees for godssake, it’s slightly more important, and bottom line, your party left you, that’s already happened, done deal, for you to not see that or act accordingly is a whole other level of psychology that needs looking into.)
There are 3 animating principles of the Republican Party, and only 3:
• Do anything and everything to enrich their plutocrat masters
• Oppose anything any liberal ever said might even slightly be a good idea (clean water is now a liberal thing…?)
• Dismantle anything the Kenyan Muslim did
(And even those last 2 are more for chits and giggles than anything else, and are never to interfere with the first one.)
Education, health care, clean air/water, the rule of law, upward mobility, peace – no interest whatsoever. That’s not just a party leadership thing, that goes to the marrow of the party. That is who they are. I know self-delusion has always been a big favorite with conservatives but some of you old-school guys are taking it to a new extreme with your continued, knee-jerk support of a party that was hi-jacked from you wholesale over the last 15 years.
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
yeah, if only they were more effective in ****ing over the poor and middle class at the expense of the wealthy then they would be real leaders! You're sitting there lamenting the fact that the leadership couldn't push through a bill to kick millions off insurance and raise premiums for everyone else.
you don't give a **** about how awful the Republican platform is because they throw you an occasional bone on abortion. It's really quite pathetic.
yeah, if only they were more effective in ****ing over the poor and middle class at the expense of the wealthy then they would be real leaders! You're sitting there lamenting the fact that the leadership couldn't push through a bill to kick millions off insurance and raise premiums for everyone else.
you don't give a **** about how awful the Republican platform is because they throw you an occasional bone on abortion. It's really quite pathetic.
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!
We would not have gotten Palin and Trump without the rank and file.
We would not have gotten Palin and Trump without the rank and file.
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Are the democrats going to run someone? If they do that gives Brakey a decent opportunity. I really think King has been a huge disappointment. He marketed himself as someone who was going to bridge the divide in the senate and has been completely useless. Does he ever not vote with the democrats? Has he had one meaningful accomplishment?
Are the democrats going to run someone? If they do that gives Brakey a decent opportunity. I really think King has been a huge disappointment. He marketed himself as someone who was going to bridge the divide in the senate and has been completely useless. Does he ever not vote with the democrats? Has he had one meaningful accomplishment?
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