The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

[Kepler]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

They thought they would have another 4 years to attack the White House and rail against the ACA. Of course they have nothing.

This. They were the coward yelling "hold me back, fellas, hold me back!" and then the country drops his arm and he's left in the ring with no excuses and NO ideas.

 

[burd]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

They thought they would have another 4 years to attack the White House and rail against the ACA. Of course they have nothing.

This. They were the coward yelling "hold me back, fellas, hold me back!" and then the country drops his arm and he's left in the ring with no excuses and NO ideas.

These two posts really sum it up. And the apologists are left to just repeating the same old deflections and false equivalencies.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Has Turtle Boy unveiled the new bill yet? Is is Great Health Care like El Presidente' says?

 

[Handyman]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Has Turtle Boy unveiled the new bill yet? Is is Great Health Care like El Presidente' says?

Oh I am sure it will cost less AND give us great care!

(unless you are on Medicaid then you can bugger off!)

 

[Kepler]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Oh I am sure it will cost less AND give us great care!

(unless you are on Medicaid then you can bugger off!)

The release is Friday, the CBO scoring is Monday.

People are taking bets on how many more million the Cruz Amendment will murder.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

The release is Friday, the CBO scoring is Monday.

People are taking bets on how many more million the Cruz Amendment will murder.

Did he move it? It was supposed to be today.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-amendment-health-care-bill-preexisting-conditions-2017-7

This is the new great idea? Pushing everyone with a health care need into high risk? So those who don't use Health Care get cheap insurance, everyone else be dammed? Thank you, Ted Cruz, you ****tard.

One attempt to attract conservative holdouts to the new version of the Better Care Reconciliation Act will be the addition of a provision introduced by Sen. Ted Cruz and supported by fellow Republican Sen. Mike Lee. The amendment would allow insurers to provide plans that do not comply with two major regulations of the ACA: community rating and essential health benefits. Cruz and Lee have pushed it as a way to bring down premiums and open up choice in the individual market.

But an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan health-policy think tank, said the amendment could cause the cost of plans that complied with those regulations to skyrocket, as only those who were sick and needed the more generous coverage would buy them.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Did he move it? It was supposed to be today.

It looks like Mitch backed down and is including Cruz' poison pill.

That has got to send the moderates up for re-election scurrying for the exits, so my theory is Mitch has had enough. He'll let the scoring come out and be horrific, mumble some empty platitudes, release the moderates to vote against it, and let it fail next Tuesday. Then he can say August recess is back on and go home. Repeal will have failed so the constituents won't have to worry anymore and he can tell the fire breathers that he tried but the votes just weren't there. He can blame it on the Democrats or Obama or George Soros or whoever the orcs have a hate-on for that day.

And then when they come back this fall he can move on to the 1% tax cut and make his paymasters happy.

Because he is getting that tax cut. That's all the RNC is about. The rest of this has been pure theater. He will have to bump the tax cut even farther in order to compensate for not getting the tax cut part of DontCare. Maybe he'll even throw in zeroing out the inheritance tax for billionaires.

 

[Handyman]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Well now the "moderates" have a chance to show they arent the lapdogs we all think they are. If they vote for this they are just as bad as the nutjobs they pretend they fight against.

Personally...I say pass it! We wont need another Civil War The South will die off in 3 generations anyways.

 

[Rover]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

If you're looking to pass a bill, it always helps to tailor it to the whims of the most hated man (Cruz) in the Senate!

But, I say pass the bill baby! 'Bout time Republican voters and non-voters take it in the shorts for their decisions.

Having said that, if this fails I can see 60 votes for a bill that shores up the insurance markets while getting rid of the medical device tax which nobody likes and also allows policies to be sold across state lines which is a nothing proposal but doesn't hurt anything. Not sure Weasel Paul Ryan will take that up but if he does one would think Pelosi will get her caucus on board meaning only a handful of Goopers would be needed to pass it into law. Not sure what Trump will do with that however...

 

[Kepler]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Did Dean Heller run over Rand Paul's dog?

I know why you do this if you're Collins. But Paul doesn't need this as much as Heller, and Paul just clamped his balls in a vice, gave it two quick turns, and then said "your move."

 

[Kepler]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

If you're looking to pass a bill, it always helps to tailor it to the whims of the most hated man (Cruz) in the Senate!

Not exactly from Sam Rayburn's playbook, yeah.

"You have to understand that I like Ted Cruz probably more than my colleagues like Ted Cruz, and I hate Ted Cruz." -- Al Franken

The only real way to save Heller on this is for there to be a half dozen defections so he gets lost in the crowd. Man, somebody in that caucus really must hate him.

 

[Rover]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

The only real way to save Heller on this is for there to be a half dozen defections so he gets lost in the crowd. Man, somebody in that caucus really must hate him.

If it looks like its going down, Heller is going to be lost in the crowd as you say because the nutters are going to want credit. Think of that appointed Senator (appropriately named Strange) in Alabama who has to face a primary election soon for example. True loons are going to claim it doesn't go far enough as cover for voting against it and there's a lot of them to choose from (Ernst, Lee, Rubio, either of the Oklahoma basketcases etc).

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

They ran on straight repeal. What they should have done is put straight repeal on the floor and let their members live or die with it. They also could not do that through reconciliation which would have been perfect fodder cause they could have forced the Democrats to filibuster it since without reconciliation they would've needed the 60 votes. That would have allowed them to continue to run on the issue forever.

How Mitch and Ryan decided this cluster **** was the best idea is beyond me.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

If it looks like its going down, Heller is going to be lost in the crowd as you say because the nutters are going to want credit. Think of that appointed Senator (appropriately named Strange) in Alabama who has to face a primary election soon for example. True loons are going to claim it doesn't go far enough as cover for voting against it and there's a lot of them to choose from (Ernst, Lee, Rubio, either of the Oklahoma basketcases etc).

Are there really folks on record saying that even with Cruz it isn't radical enough? What do they want, debtors prisons and a return to the traditional doctrine of the humors?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Are there really folks on record saying that even with Cruz it isn't radical enough? What do they want, debtors prisons and a return to the traditional doctrine of the humors?

They should just go back to bankruptcy for those who choose chronic illness. It's natural selection. Just like Capitalism and being in the 1%. I don't understand why this is so hard for them?

 

[Rover]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Are there really folks on record saying that even with Cruz it isn't radical enough? What do they want, debtors prisons and a return to the traditional doctrine of the humors?

Yes, Rand Paul for one.

 

[burd]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Are there really folks on record saying that even with Cruz it isn't radical enough? What do they want, debtors prisons and a return to the traditional doctrine of the humors?

You libs are all big on the theory of natural selection when it is used as a tool against christianity.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Historically, does anyone know how dentists got such a sweet deal compared to doctors? Somehow when everyone complains about "healthcare this" or "health insurance that" it never includes dentistry. They weren't affected in the slightest by PPACA, they have their own separate insurance plans, no one seems to complain that dental costs are rising too fast or that poor people are denied dental coverage by heartless evil rich white male bigots.....

I'm genuinely curious; if anyone knows something about how and when dentistry split off from medicine and became its own separate little fiefdom, I'd like to hear more. Thanks.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Historically, does anyone know how dentists got such a sweet deal compared to doctors? Somehow when everyone complains about "healthcare this" or "health insurance that" it never includes dentistry. They weren't affected in the slightest by PPACA, they have their own separate insurance plans, no one seems to complain that dental costs are rising too fast or that poor people are denied dental coverage by heartless evil rich white male bigots.....

I'm genuinely curious; if anyone knows something about how and when dentistry split off from medicine and became its own separate little fiefdom, I'd like to hear more. Thanks.

Excellent points. No idea.