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The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

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Most complaints about repealing the ACA at this point are confined to frustrated older conservative males who haven't been laid in 30 years and blame the ACA for that. I don't want to name names here (cough..Fishy...cough) but that's pretty much it. But, I'll make it simple. The last two Gooper Presidential candidates ran explicitly on a repeal and go back to the pre-ACA set up platform. One guy (Mittens) lost handily. The other (Trump) is about to get crushed! If people truly felt the way the serial whiners do, why won't the public elect these men President? Dealing with anti-Obamacare people is like dealing with the Flat Earthed Society. Eventually when it turns out you're not looking for solutions but just want to complain, you just set yourselves up as objects of ridicule. That works for me, but I'm not sure what you get out of it. :D
 
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You're nuts if you think Trump's numbers have anything to do with his stance on the Unaffordable Care Act.
 
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St. Clown said:
You're nuts if you think Trump's numbers have anything to do with his stance on the Unaffordable Care Act.
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He's only spoon-feeding the narrative from MSM and trying to politicize it. States failing in the execution of it is the man behind the curtain.
 
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St. Clown said:
You're nuts if you think Trump's numbers have anything to do with his stance on the Unaffordable Care Act.
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Both he and Romney ran on a repeal platform. IF this issue truly matters more than female companionship for most people, including several USCHO posters, one would think the voters would have overlooked the flaws in both men and elected them President, no?

Or, perhaps people get tuned out if they're not stop whiners with zero workable solutions?
 
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FreshFish said:
Are you covered under an exchange policy? or under your employer's group plan?
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Was covered for the first 22 years under my parents' plan and have been under two separate plans under my employers'. All three have been with the same insurance company/administrator.
 
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Rover said:
Both he and Romney ran on a repeal platform. IF this issue truly matters more than female companionship for most people, including several USCHO posters, one would think the voters would have overlooked the flaws in both men and elected them President, no?

Or, perhaps people get tuned out if they're not stop whiners with zero workable solutions?
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It's nowhere near the center of this election. Trump's losing because he's Trump. You could maybe have a point if this were a traditional election, one about the issues, but this election is about Trump's fantastically undeserved ego and Clinton's family name.
 
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Rover said:
Or, perhaps people get tuned out if they're not stop whiners with zero workable solutions?
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Everyone knows this is the real reason for all of the repeal votes. Modern conservatives want a gov't-free system. The employed, and retirees who worked long enough to get a pass, are covered. Everyone else can beg for charity, or get fcked.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Everyone knows this is the real reason for all of the repeal votes. Modern conservatives want a gov't-free system. The employed, and retirees who worked long enough to get a pass, are covered. Everyone else can beg for charity, or get fcked.
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There is a mindset that would screw 1 million people in need if it prevented 1 person from abusing the system. I have never been able to crawl inside that head. It's like a form of brain damage.
 
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Kepler said:
There is a mindset that would screw 1 million people in need if it prevented 1 person from abusing the system. I have never been able to crawl inside that head. It's like a form of brain damage.
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Yeah, I don't get that mindset either.
 
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Kepler said:
There is a mindset that would screw 1 million people in need if it prevented 1 person from abusing the system. I have never been able to crawl inside that head. It's like a form of brain damage.
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Hang on a sec... You cannot understand the ends justifying the means, but you'll still support politicians that have wrapped their entire ideologies around making the ends justify the means?
 
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Kepler said:
There is a mindset that would screw 1 million people in need if it prevented 1 person from abusing the system. I have never been able to crawl inside that head. It's like a form of brain damage.
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Hmm...opponents of the death penalty use an argument that is identical in structural form to the one you just laid out, although I totally agree that the contents of that argument are very much different indeed:

"the chance that one innocent person might be executed is sufficient reason to stop all executions of guilty people as well." that is not brain damage at all.

the logical structure is identical, the content of the clauses is the opposite.


The problem is not in the logic you presented (i.e., "head," "brain"), it is the total absence of compassion behind that attitude that makes it so repulsive (i.e., "heartless").
 
joecct said:
Let's see - the health insurance won't cover the cancer drug but will cover the assisted suicide pill.

Guess we know what the insurer hopes the patient will do.
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So now the insurance company is the same as a government death panel?

I specifically recall saying insurance companies were doing this long before ObamaCare was around.
 
unofan said:
So now the insurance company is the same as a government death panel?

I specifically recall saying insurance companies were doing this long before ObamaCare was around.
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How many states had assisted suicide laws prior to PPACA? Oregon and Washington come to mind - any others?
 
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joecct said:
Let's see - the health insurance won't cover the cancer drug but will cover the assisted suicide pill.

Guess we know what the insurer hopes the patient will do.
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You left out the best part. They ask if the patient voted for Obama too! If they did - they get the cancer drug. If they didn't - SUICIDE PILL BABY! :eek:

I stand by my profiling of the typical anti-ACA person from post #821... ;)
 
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unofan said:
What's that matter? If you can't get the cancer drug, you're dead either way.
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Everyone since the dawn of time has (or will) died. Your statement seems a bit callous.
 
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