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The PPACA Implementation Phase II - Love it or Lose it!

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jerphisch said:
I think Fishy needs to take a cue from a guy I work with, always start Rush or Hannity rant with "Now remember, I'm an independant."
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True story from the 2012 campaign. Romney's team made two critical errors in their assumptions. The first was that white voters would vote the same way uniformly across regions. As in white voters would give Obama the same level of support in Ohio or Pennsylvania as they were in Arkansas or Texas. The second was that since they were winning independents, they were winning the election.

People like Fishy may have ditched the R next to their names on their voting registration, but they're still partisan Republicans as his posts indicate. Romney winning these people meant nothing, as they were already part of his coalition. I'm not sure why these righties aren't honest about their affiliations, but perhaps one of them will enlight us. :D
 
FreshFish said:
All over the US, tens of thousands of people are using the CBS website to manage their NCAA tournament pools, entering their brackets, managing pool members, etc. etc. Somehow that website can not only handle all the traffice, but it updates quickly. I'm our pool manager and I have people sending me emails "are my brackets in on time?" just as they are submitting them, and I can see the site update as I watch.

and this is just for a sporting event, not something with potential life and death consequences!

By contrast.....sigh. :(
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Amazing how things work smoothly when you have 15 years of practice. I remember the first few years of March Madness on Demand. if you didn't login at the start of the day, good luck getting in until the last couple games at night. 2-3 hour long queues were common. The only way others got in was because the feed crashed every hour or so.

But I realize you probably still thought the internet was a fad back then and didn't try it your self. And that was with everyone trying to get it to work. They didn't have 50% of management trying to sabotage it
 
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Rover said:
True story from the 2012 campaign. Romney's team made two critical errors in their assumptions. The first was that white voters would vote the same way uniformly across regions. As in white voters would give Obama the same level of support in Ohio or Pennsylvania as they were in Arkansas or Texas. The second was that since they were winning independents, they were winning the election.

People like Fishy may have ditched the R next to their names on their voting registration, but they're still partisan Republicans as his posts indicate. Romney winning these people meant nothing, as they were already part of his coalition. I'm not sure why these righties aren't honest about their affiliations, but perhaps one of them will enlight us. :D
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Assuming you're referring to me, I didn't vote for Romney. And you can check the voting record.
 
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unofan said:
They didn't have 50% of management trying to sabotage it
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I like to think you're an intelligent guy who is typically (though smugly) more right than wrong. So, please don't tell me you actually believe that right wing organizations managed to pull off significant attacks on Healthcare.gov. Because not only is that FlagDUDE territory, but even if they actually did pull it off on a level that significantly impacted the website's performance, it would be a complete indictment of the website's security architecture. So regardless of whether the project planning and implementation was a failure or the security design and implementation was a failure, speaking as an IT professional, the website was a classic, buggy IT rollout.

To the program's credit, the website has since improved by leaps and bounds. However, to suggest that conservative/libertarian hacker networks pulled off some kind of elaborate, coordinated DOS attack is just silly without proof, and gives these groups far too much credibility.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I like to think you're an intelligent guy who is typically (though smugly) more right than wrong. So, please don't tell me you actually believe that right wing organizations managed to pull off significant attacks on Healthcare.gov. Because not only is that FlagDUDE territory, but even if they actually did pull it off on a level that significantly impacted the website's performance, it would be a complete indictment of the website's security architecture. So regardless of whether the project planning and implementation was a failure or the security design and implementation was a failure, speaking as an IT professional, the website was a classic, buggy IT rollout.

To the program's credit, the website has since improved by leaps and bounds. However, to suggest that conservative/libertarian hacker networks pulled off some kind of elaborate, coordinated DOS attack is just silly without proof, and gives these groups far too much credibility.
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I don't think the point is about sabotaging the web-site itself, a major blunder by the administration which tends to have problems implementing policies. I think a little more cooperation however would have eased the burden on the federal site as you'd expect more states to want to run their own exchanges. The problem was a false confidence out of Republicans that the law would never actually get enacted, either via a court ruling or a Romney victory, so there was no reason to try to cooperate and make it work. Reality's a biatch, but now that things are chugging along those holdouts, particularly the ones who refused the Medicare expansion, are looking stupider by the day.
 
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Rover said:
I don't think the point is about sabotaging the web-site itself, a major blunder by the administration which tends to have problems implementing policies. I think a little more cooperation however would have eased the burden on the federal site as you'd expect more states to want to run their own exchanges. The problem was a false confidence out of Republicans that the law would never actually get enacted, either via a court ruling or a Romney victory, so there was no reason to try to cooperate and make it work. Reality's a biatch, but now that things are chugging along those holdouts, particularly the ones who refused the Medicare expansion, are looking stupider by the day.
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You're right, I misread his statement.
 
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jerphisch said:
I think [Mr.] Fish needs to take a cue from a guy I work with, always start Rush or Hannity rant with "Now remember, I'm an independant."
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I'm not an "independent," I merely despise career politicians of both major parties at the state and federal level (and most cabinet-level bureaucrats...). My political involvement at the local level has been pretty successful. It's just that national (or state) party labels at the local level are worse than meaningless.

In our town, the appropriate labels would be The Party Of Patronage and Largesse and The Party of Basic Services Done Well. Three times out of four, the former wins, then the latter wins big-time and does well, except since no one gets any handouts, the former creeps back into contention again, and the cycle continues.....
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I like to think you're an intelligent guy who is typically (though smugly) more right than wrong. So, please don't tell me you actually believe that right wing organizations managed to pull off significant attacks on Healthcare.gov. Because not only is that FlagDUDE territory, but even if they actually did pull it off on a level that significantly impacted the website's performance, it would be a complete indictment of the website's security architecture. So regardless of whether the project planning and implementation was a failure or the security design and implementation was a failure, speaking as an IT professional, the website was a classic, buggy IT rollout.

To the program's credit, the website has since improved by leaps and bounds. However, to suggest that conservative/libertarian hacker networks pulled off some kind of elaborate, coordinated DOS attack is just silly without proof, and gives these groups far too much credibility.
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Do you think most Bible and gun clingers actually know how to use a computer? ;)
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Do you think most Bible and gun clingers actually know how to use a computer? ;)
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I think many of them (or at least, their leaders - who pass it on) know how to navigate to sites that validate their views. ;) :p

FWIW, I'm one of Obama's "gun clingers". I don't touch the religion part though, as it's all laughable in my view.
 
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So....this in interesting. When a Democrat extends a health care deadline, we're supposed to break out the pitchforks and torches, but when a Republican does it......silence.

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Flashback to 2006: When Bush extended an enrollment deadline





By Mark Murray


As Republicans complain about the Obama administration’s latest deadline extension for Americans to purchase health insurance, Democrats are countering with this reminder: The Bush administration did something similar in 2006.

Back then, as it was implementing the Medicare prescription-drug benefit Bush had signed into law, the GOP presidential administration announced it was waiving penalties for low-income seniors and those with disabilities who signed up late.


As one Knight Ridder report put it at the time:

The move follows a recent administration decision to allow the same impoverished beneficiaries to sign up for Medicare drug coverage until Dec. 31.

"In other words, you can apply after May 15th without penalty. And that's important for low-income seniors to understand," President Bush told a group of older Americans in Sun City Center, Fla., on Tuesday.

There’s one key difference between Bush’s Medicare prescription-drug benefit and Obama’s health-care law: Democrats didn’t try to scuttle the Medicare law’s implementation (especially since some of them had voted for it), while the same isn’t exactly true of GOP actions regarding the health-care law.

But the 2006 story is a reminder that when it comes to the implementation of complex new laws, both Democratic and Republican administration have changed the rules to encourage enrollment.
 
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St. Clown said:
I bet you anything that it's an overly optimistic story. Something tells me we've yet to find a cancer panacea.
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It would be more likely to find that all encompassing answer if all cancers were the same disease entity. In the future we may find out that they are-and that would simplify finding a cure a bit. But I am not at all sure that is the case and if it turns out that each individual type is different, well they may not all have that common cause to treat. Besides, as we keep increasing the average life span, we may be facing new entities that develop being age related that we have yet to have to think about.
 
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DrDemento said:
It would be more likely to find that all encompassing answer if all cancers were the same disease entity. In the future we may find out that they are-and that would simplify finding a cure a bit. But I am not at all sure that is the case and if it turns out that each individual type is different, well they may not all have that common cause to treat. Besides, as we keep increasing the average life span, we may be facing new entities that develop being age related that we have yet to have to think about.
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You mean like governments trying to provoke WW3 in order to control the population?
 
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Read 'em and weep knuckledraggers! Not only does it look like the ACA will in fact sign up 7M people, the total expansion (including expanded Medicare, etc) points to at least 9.5M previously without insurance now obtaining coverage. Only a total idiot would find this to be a bad thing. (that's your cue fishy/flaggy/Opie)

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-20140331,0,5472960.story#axzz2x
 
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So....where ARE all the knuckledraggers today? Don't try to claim they have lives because we know that's not true. ;) One has to wonder if we'd be hearing from people had Obamacare not reached its goals.

Gee whiz, a law that does what it said it would (lowers the uninsured rate, brings down the growth rate of healthcare spending).

Still waiting for that GOP alternative....
 
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