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The PPACA Implementation Phase II - Love it or Lose it!

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SJHovey said:
Doesn't Maddow write: "As Johnson sees it, 'Obamacare' would have forced Foker out of the medical field and prevented life saving-procedures from being developed."

Here is the opinion piece written by Johnson. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...0001424052748704662604576202203050970010.html

I don't think he says anything about Foker, or being forced out of the medical field. He does talk about the advances a so-called free market medical field developed, but Maddow's characterization is a bit of an exaggeration in my opinion.
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No more of an exaggeration than Johnson's piece which is a complete fabrication with no basis in reality.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No more of an exaggeration than Johnson's piece which is a complete fabrication with no basis in reality.
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Well Johnson's piece, which is an opinion piece written 2 years ago, is basically a "rah-rah, our health care system is so great why would we change," scare piece. He argues that his daughter was saved by a medical miracle that was made possible in large part by permitting a capitalistic medical system that rewards innovation, at least how I read it. I don't necessarily agree with that, and in fact I think someone has pointed out that the medical procedure or device that saved his daughter was actually developed elsewhere, but again I go back to Maddow and the blogger who contacted the doctor to basically ask him if he'd have skipped the medical profession altogether had Obamacare been in place, something about which Johnson made no claim.

My point is that Maddow, Rush, Hannity, Ed Schultz and all the rest of them think nothing of engaging in gross distortions of other peoples comments, solely for the purpose of getting the masses riled, and even more importantly, ratings. There aren't any of them more reliable than the other.
 
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You know, for a so called legal expert, Fishy sure does seem to disappear when a ruling doesn't go his way! Coincidence, I think not. :D
 
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Subscribed because every time I see the first two letters of this thread's title I laugh a little.
 
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3M people now signed up for private insurance through the ACA.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obamacare-january-enrollment-sebelius

Add the approx 7M that have coverage through Medicare and 3M up to 26 year olds covered by their parents insurance and that's 13M nails in conservatives' coffins. :D

Worse news for you knucks' is the sign up rate. 800K in the first half of January easily translates to 7M total by the March 31st deadline (800K second half of Jan, 1.6M Feb, 1.6M March). This is without any of the expected ramp-up before the penalties kick in and before the industry outreach that's just starting.

BTW - Has the GOP unveiled and passed in the House an alternative to the ACA? I mean, its only been 4 years now, so perhaps when they're not waging the War on Women or the War on Those in Poverty they can maybe get around to it....:rolleyes: ;)
 
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Rover

A few points

1. Signed up <> insured. From what I gather the payment process is a bit iffy at this time.

2. What I am also curious about is WHO is insured. If it is just the "uninsurable" vs. the "invincibles", then the $$ don't work out.

3. Lots of more folks in Medicaid. WONDERFUL! Who's going to pay for it when the federal subsidy runs out?
 
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Yeah, I'm glad people are getting insured, and I think this is sort of a step in the right direction to get costs down on the whole, but IIRC, I heard a report last week on a local station that said the under 30 crowd has not been signing up at a high enough rate in Minnesota.
 
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joecct said:
Rover

A few points

1. Signed up <> insured. From what I gather the payment process is a bit iffy at this time.

2. What I am also curious about is WHO is insured. If it is just the "uninsurable" vs. the "invincibles", then the $$ don't work out.

3. Lots of more folks in Medicaid. WONDERFUL! Who's going to pay for it when the federal subsidy runs out?
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Once they die, the government confiscates the estate.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Yeah, I'm glad people are getting insured, and I think this is sort of a step in the right direction to get costs down on the whole, but IIRC, I heard a report last week on a local station that said the under 30 crowd has not been signing up at a high enough rate in Minnesota.
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That's because the "tax" is still less expensive.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
That's because the "tax" is still less expensive.
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Until you have a life-threatening illness. I get angry every time I hear of people who don't want to sign up for insurance because it's cheaper to pay the fine. Their effing irresponsibility costs me money. They can all get fu*ked.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Until you have a life-threatening illness. I get angry every time I hear of people who don't want to sign up for insurance because it's cheaper to pay the fine. Their effing irresponsibility costs me money. They can all get fu*ked.
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Why, because you want other people to pay for someone's illness? Forget that.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Until you have a life-threatening illness. I get angry every time I hear of people who don't want to sign up for insurance because it's cheaper to pay the fine. Their effing irresponsibility costs me money. They can all get fu*ked.
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Maybe they figure that the one year out of pocket O Thit event cost + premiums is beyond their ability to pay.

So, they gamble. I'm paying almost $4K a year so that my bride and I will not have to pay mega bucks if I get an Oh Thit event. But if I gamble that I will be healthy in the next 12 months, I can avoid the premium costs and pay a fraction for a doctor visit and a dental visit. Is it worth it? My bride and I prefer the comfort. But some other family may not.
 
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joecct said:
Maybe they figure that the one year out of pocket O Thit event cost + premiums is beyond their ability to pay.

So, they gamble. I'm paying almost $4K a year so that my bride and I will not have to pay mega bucks if I get an Oh Thit event. But if I gamble that I will be healthy in the next 12 months, I can avoid the premium costs and pay a fraction for a doctor visit and a dental visit. Is it worth it? My bride and I prefer the comfort. But some other family may not.
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That family is irresponsible and should suffer the consequences if they decide to make that gamble. If we're talking the difference between keeping the lights on and health care, they should easily qualify for Medicaid or some state program.

I have little sympathy for those who decide to go uninsured and get sick or injured. Just like I have zero sympathy for those d*kheads who drive without auto insurance.
 
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joecct said:
Maybe they figure that the one year out of pocket O Thit event cost + premiums is beyond their ability to pay. So, they gamble.
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Gambling is fine - so long as they do it with their OWN money. With the system we have now, they're playing with house (i.e. taxpayers' and/or premium payers') money, not their own. Oh, sure, they may have a little skin in the game, but if they have $30K in assets against a $100K surgery, society pays the rest.

If someone with $1M in assets wants to gamble, I would be totally fine with that. Does Bill Gates really need health insurance?
 
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LynahFan said:
Gambling is fine - so long as they do it with their OWN money. With the system we have now, they're playing with house (i.e. taxpayers' and/or premium payers') money, not their own. Oh, sure, they may have a little skin in the game, but if they have $30K in assets against a $100K surgery, society pays the rest.

If someone with $1M in assets wants to gamble, I would be totally fine with that. Does Bill Gates really need health insurance?
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Ding f*king ding
 
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LynahFan said:
Gambling is fine - so long as they do it with their OWN money. With the system we have now, they're playing with house (i.e. taxpayers' and/or premium payers') money, not their own. Oh, sure, they may have a little skin in the game, but if they have $30K in assets against a $100K surgery, society pays the rest.

If someone with $1M in assets wants to gamble, I would be totally fine with that. Does Bill Gates really need health insurance?
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Bing!! But, under the law, Bill Gates, MUST have health insurance - not that he needs it - he can buy the hospital and keep it running for the rest of his life.
 
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Saw an article somewhere today that said that the state of California released information stating that several of the "Navigators" for Obama'care' were convicted and served jail terms for financial crimes like forgery and theft. However, the state also refused to release the names of those former felons based on 'public policy' grounds: they didn't want people to lose confidence in the system.

Seems to me that it would increase confidence if people knew that the state could identify those folks. Go figure.
 
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