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The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

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So it turns out fishy's upset because he's an actuary and no one listens to him? Call the whambulance and get in line. The government's been ignoring accountents, economists, and scientists for decades. Actuaries are hardly special in that regard.

But this affects you directly, so now you're upset. Color me shocked that a Fark Independent (tm) reacted that way.
 
unofan said:
So it turns out fishy's upset because he's an actuary and no one listens to him? Call the whambulance and get in line. The government's been ignoring accountents, economists, and scientists for decades. Actuaries are hardly special in that regard.

But this affects you directly, so now you're upset. Color me shocked that a Fark Independent (tm) reacted that way.
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I don't think being an actuary is the reason why people aren't listening to Fishy. Its more unworkable or nonsensical ideas that are wedded to a dying ideology. :D ;)

Clown, did you ever think that maybe some things happen unrelated to Obamacare? Like for example if it rained yesterday or if ants got into your lunch? I doubt Obamacare has much effect on billing or we would have heard some whining from the Actuary Support Society (A_SS) already. :D
 
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Rover said:
I don't think being an actuary is the reason why people aren't listening to Fishy. Its more unworkable or nonsensical ideas that are wedded to a dying ideology. :D ;)

Clown, did you ever think that maybe some things happen unrelated to Obamacare? Like for example if it rained yesterday or if ants got into your lunch? I doubt Obamacare has much effect on billing or we would have heard some whining from the Actuary Support Society (A_SS) already. :D
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The billing changes are, in fact, a direct result of Obamacare. My old plan would have been considered a "Cadilac" plan, and so my employer reduced our coverage to the HRA plan we have now. What used to be a copay and then full coverage up until $X per year, it is now, instead a copay, then I cover the first $2K-$4K per year, but some of that might be covered under some special dispensation fund, then the HRA payments kick in, and then finally I hit the 80/20 coverage point in the plan. The lead human resources lady in my company even released a "we're sorry, but Obamacare forced us into it" video when the company made the change. In my ten years of being here, that's the first time they've ever offered up such a thing, and it's especially surprising given that my company generally leans to the liberal side of most things, and extremely liberal on other things when it comes to getting entangled in social issues.
 
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unofun said:
The government's been ignoring accountents [sic], economists, and scientists for decades. Actuaries are hardly special in that regard.
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are you so blithely unconcerned when they ignore civil engineers during bridge construction, too? :rolleyes:


who needs aerospace engineers when it comes to building rockets, right? Just hire a few interns, give them a few articles off the internet, you're all set!
 
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are you so blithely unconcerned when they ignore civil engineers during bridge construction, too? :rolleyes:


who needs aerospace engineers when it comes to building rockets, right? Just hire a few interns, give them a few articles off the internet, you're all set!
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Were you so blithely concerned when they ignored scientists when discussing the climate, or economists when discussing the economy, or women when talking about women's health? Or were you noticeably unconcerned at those times?
 
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unofan said:
Were you so blithely concerned when they ignored scientists when discussing the climate, or economists when discussing the economy, or women when talking about women's health? Or were you noticeably unconcerned at those times?
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I also like how because he works as a low level actuary that makes him omniscient about all things health care related. Look I don't pass myself off as an expert in military tactics just because I eat fried chicken at The Colonel's once in awhile. :D Same rule applies to him.
 
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unofun said:
Were you so blithely concerned when they ignored scientists when discussing the climate, or economists when discussing the economy, or women when talking about women's health? Or were you noticeably unconcerned at those times?
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"Blithely concerned"? that's an oxymoron, no? it makes no sense to think of someone being "blithely" concerned, does it?

anyway, no, no, maybe, and no.

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When it comes to women's health, I'd generally listen more to a male physician than to a woman who knows nothing whatsoever about anatomy or endrocrinology or any other health-related field.

and when it comes to economists, it depends upon whether they are speaking as economists or as paid political hacks. Paul Krugman says things in his column that are inconsistent with his own research, for example. I'd give more weight to his scholarly research than to his deranged political rants.

For some reason I thought you were an attorney? isn't it the case that you can find an expert witness who will testify either for the defense or for the prosecution, depending upon who pays him the most?

with engineering and actuarial sciences, there actually are certain objective standards that nearly all practitioners follow: math is math. you don't have an opinion on how an equation works. the only debate is which equation is most applicable to a given situation.
 
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generally speaking, people are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves.
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So did you go to a licensed psychologist for that, or are you pulling that out of your actuarial ***?
 
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unofan said:
So did you go to a licensed psychologist for that, or are you pulling that out of your actuarial ***?
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Hit a nerve, eh? It should have! Those things you criticize the most are also the very same things you yourself do the most. If you cannot notice that, why should anyone take anything you say seriously, ever? :rolleyes:



PS yes, that observation is a basic maxim of psychology: I got it from experts.
 
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FreshFish said:
Hit a nerve, eh? It should have! Those things you criticize the most are also the very same things you yourself do the most. If you cannot notice that, why should anyone take anything you say seriously, ever? :rolleyes:



PS yes, that observation is a basic maxim of psychology: I got it from experts.
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So when you go berzerk over my posts on put me on the ignore list, its because my criticisms of you are 100% accurate? Frankly, that's what I figured but its nice of you to confirm it in public. :D
 
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Rover said:
So when you go berzerk [sic] over my posts on put me on the ignore list?
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were I to go berserk, then yes, it would indeed be an indicator that you touched a nerve. It's been a long time since that happened, however; I took my own advice. I haven't called anyone names in quite a long time now. :)

putting you on the ignore list, on the other hand, is merely an indication that I have good hygiene.
 
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FreshFish said:
were I to go berserk, then yes, it would indeed be an indicator that you touched a nerve. It's been a long time since that happened, however; I took my own advice. I haven't called anyone names in quite a long time now. :)

putting you on the ignore list, on the other hand, is merely an indication that I have good hygiene.
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Only about three months. :p:D
 
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