The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Poll taxes are unconstitutional. It's not that they can't afford them, but that you cannot force someone to pay to vote. If you require Id, there had better be a free option available.

The rest of the arguement is simply that as a solution, it's worse than the problem it's meant to solve. You discourage more legitimate voters than you prevent from committing fraud.

There can be a free option available; the loony went on to complain that waiting in line meant the difference between being able to buy something and not. Yet, they're OK with this...

 

[Rover]

There can be a free option available; the loony went on to complain that waiting in line meant the difference between being able to buy something and not. Yet, they're OK with this...

I think this is a little simplistic. For example, Pennsylvania Republicans swore up and down that the voter ID law they passed would be no problem because the state was giving out free ID's. Sounds good, right? Problem was 1) they enacted the law a few months before election season, and 2) the DMV could not handle the volume of people trying to get the free ID's. Unlike Rhode Island, which did something similar but made it effective for the following election, a lot of these places enacted a blatant attempt to disenfranchise voters they didn't want voting.

So, while the only loony lefty I can speak for is myself, I can tell you I have no problem with voter ID's. My problem resides in "oh by the way, this goes into effect next month and if you can't get the proper ID by then too f'in bad".

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

I think this is a little simplistic. For example, Pennsylvania Republicans swore up and down that the voter ID law they passed would be no problem because the state was giving out free ID's. Sounds good, right? Problem was 1) they enacted the law a few months before election season, and 2) the DMV could not handle the volume of people trying to get the free ID's. Unlike Rhode Island, which did something similar but made it effective for the following election, a lot of these places enacted a blatant attempt to disenfranchise voters they didn't want voting.

So, while the only loony lefty I can speak for is myself, I can tell you I have no problem with voter ID's. My problem resides in "oh by the way, this goes into effect next month and if you can't get the proper ID by then too f'in bad".

It's not the first time this sort of thing has ever happened. Look at every gun law tried within the last couple of months, especially the ones from my state.

 

[Hopkinja]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

I think this is a little simplistic. For example, Pennsylvania Republicans swore up and down that the voter ID law they passed would be no problem because the state was giving out free ID's. Sounds good, right? Problem was 1) they enacted the law a few months before election season, and 2) the DMV could not handle the volume of people trying to get the free ID's. Unlike Rhode Island, which did something similar but made it effective for the following election, a lot of these places enacted a blatant attempt to disenfranchise voters they didn't want voting.

Not to mention the fact that while the ID's were free, they required several forms of identification to get one. And those IDs were not free.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Not to mention the fact that while the ID's were free, they required several forms of identification to get one. And those IDs were not free.

A birth certificate isn't free? A social security card isn't free?

 

[pirate]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

A birth certificate isn't free? A social security card isn't free?

I think we're talking more like Arnold in the first Terminator...beamed down, nekked. Therefore, no ID of any sort and no place to keep it.

 

[joecct]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

A birth certificate isn't free? A social security card isn't free?

TANSTAAFL!!

The cost of the birth certificate is probably buried somewhere in the bill. I know the copies of my Mom's death certificate were part of the funeral bill. Your Social Security Card is all part of the General Fund.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

I can tell you I have no problem with voter ID's. My problem resides in "oh by the way, this goes into effect next month and if you can't get the proper ID by then too f'in bad".

wow, that's exactly what I was saying last fall. we agreed on something. wow.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Out of curiosity, what's the other [constitutional amendment you'd propose]?

if I were a different kind of person, I'd be tempted to tell you to take it to the SCOTUS thread.

If I could enact one constitutional amendment, it would be the following on compensation for legislators for time spent serving in the legislature:
> no legislator shall be eligible for a Federal defined benefit pension.
> legislators' compensation shall be set as follows:
-- upon being elected, the legislator shall present his tax return to document his earned income.
-- his compensation for service in the legislature while it is in session will be determined on a pro-rata basis based on the income declared on the tax return, and paid on a per-diem basis.


That's it.

The first bullet allows 401(c)(3) or 401(k) or what have you, just no lifetime pension on someone else's dime without contributing any of your own money first.

The second bullet makes it economically neutral to you whether Congress is in session or not. If you are a real successful, well-organized person, you might be drawn to Congress and figure you can get a lot done in a short period of time so that you can then get back to work. Everyone would know that service in the legislature is comparable to jury duty; it's a responsibility to others, not a lifetime career for your own aggrandizement.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

They aren't giving up: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/31/obamacare-lawsuit-over-health-care-tax-will-test-c/

However, looking at the Constitution, they have a point; it's just a question of where it originated: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Although, perhaps there's a double jeopardy issue?

 

[unofan]

They aren't giving up: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/31/obamacare-lawsuit-over-health-care-tax-will-test-c/

However, looking at the Constitution, they have a point; it's just a question of where it originated: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Although, perhaps there's a double jeopardy issue?

Res judicata. Double jeopardy is specific to criminal cases.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Res judicata. Double jeopardy is specific to criminal cases.

Fair enough.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

After reading up on Res Judicata, the 7th amendment makes the case for it. However, the next question is if the identity of the cause at suit is enough to allow it to be a different case.

 

[joecct]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Stimulus combined with Obamacare

 

[FreshFish]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

So PPACA is supposed to provide everyone coverage regardless of pre-existing conditions, eh?

oops!

[During 2013,] people [with pre-existing conditions] have to rely on a plan administered by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). Well, guess what?

The CMS has announced that it has run out of money to enroll any more individuals in the program. So it is blocking states from accepting any more applications.
[emphasis added]

hmmm....run out of money after 3 months for a transition year of 12 months total?

This is not a good omen for the future.

 

[unofan]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Stimulus combined with Obamacare

I'm sure these fine upstanding citizens are just full of great ideas...

I also like how Paul Ryan's plan to "repair" medicare is essentially Obamacare for seniors.

 

[joecct]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Once the camel's nose gets under the tent flap, the whole camel cannot be far behind.... Shocked, but not surprised.

http://www.rethinksociety.com/government/pedophilia-is-a-sexual-orientation-under-ca-bill/

 

[unofan]

Once the camel's nose gets under the tent flap, the whole camel cannot be far behind.... Shocked, but not surprised.

http://www.rethinksociety.com/government/pedophilia-is-a-sexual-orientation-under-ca-bill/

Yeah, gonna need more than a random website with headlines meant to scare my godparents before I believe this one at face value.

FTFA:"It also means that, if pedophilia is a sexual orientation, that discrimination laws also apply to pedophiles. That means you cannot block a pedophile from being a preschool teacher or any other high-risk occupation."

That is a false statement. Business necessity and direct threat to one's self or others are defenses to discrimination suits.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Yeah, gonna need more than a random website with headlines meant to scare my godparents before I believe this one at face value.

FTFA:"It also means that, if pedophilia is a sexual orientation, that discrimination laws also apply to pedophiles. That means you cannot block a pedophile from being a preschool teacher or any other high-risk occupation."

That is a false statement. Business necessity and direct threat to one's self or others are defenses to discrimination suits.

Some could make the same case about Muslims...

 

[unofan]

Some could make the same case about Muslims...

I thought I was on ignore? Or were you misremembering when you said that?

"Some" would? Would you be one of that "some" comparing a major world religion with pedophilia?

Pedophilia is a desire to do an illegal act. Pray tell how worshiping the god of abraham and reading the koran is remotely comparable.