The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[FlagDUDE08]

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You know, I just thought of something... Huff-and-puffers should not be complaining about establishments' decision to lower work time to 29 hours. Why? Because, as unofan clearly showed in the description of a busboy job at a restaurant, assuming that the customer base is not affected (dangerous assumption though, as Grover has claimed with Darden that it very well could be affected, although he didn't provide a source, but assume his claim for this tangent), the demand for labor will still be there, which means that they'll need to hire more people to cover the lost hours. Oh my gosh, you've just lowered unemployment! You begged the messiah dictator for jobs, and it looks like he just gave you some. Or is that not good enough? Is the beggar going to be a chooser?

 

[Rover]

You know, I just thought of something... Huff-and-puffers should not be complaining about establishments' decision to lower work time to 29 hours. Why? Because, as unofan clearly showed in the description of a busboy job at a restaurant, assuming that the customer base is not affected (dangerous assumption though, as Grover has claimed with Darden that it very well could be affected, although he didn't provide a source, but assume his claim for this tangent), the demand for labor will still be there, which means that they'll need to hire more people to cover the lost hours. Oh my gosh, you've just lowered unemployment! You begged the messiah dictator for jobs, and it looks like he just gave you some. Or is that not good enough? Is the beggar going to be a chooser?

In the immortal words of Judge Smails: "The world needs ditch diggers too!". One of my favorite lines of a hilarious movie.

 

[FreshFish]

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It's too bad all these union leaders are so stupid. If only Rover could reassure them that their concerns are baseless, eh?

I mean, he already told off that notorious knuckledragger, the Democrat Senator from IN, Joe Donnelly, and that paleolithic Olympia Snowe! Now labor union leaders are all knuckledraggers as well! wow. the whole country is becoming unlivable with so many Neanderthals emerging from hiding!

The Teamsters, now, they are right up there next to the Tea Party in how primitive they are! and those Electrical Workers, can't trust them at all now, can we?

What is wrong with this country anyway? The Enlightened One has Spoken and we are not all grovelling in gratitude at His Magnificence!

The laborers union has added to organized labor’s drumbeat of dissatisfaction with the Affordable Care Act.

In a letter sent to President Barack Obama on Thursday, Laborers International Union of North America President Terry O’Sullivan wrote that the law has “destructive consequences” for the types of health plans that cover millions of unionized construction workers and their family members.

The letter follows a separate one written last week by the heads of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the United Food and Commercial Workers and Unite Here, expressing similar concerns to Congress’s top Democrats, Sen. Harry Reid and Rep. Nancy Pelosi. The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers took out print ads raising alarms about the law last week as well.

Max Baucus abandoned ship two months ago. Maybe it's something infectuous that is clouding everyone's judgment?

Pretty soon, only His Munificence, Her Royal Highness the Princess of HHS, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi will be the only ones left comforted by Rover's devotion. The rest of us will all have been consigned to second-tier status for our lack of wisdom.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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It's too bad all these union leaders are so stupid. If only Rover could reassure them that their concerns are baseless, eh?

I mean, he already told off that notorious knuckledragger, the Democrat Senator from IN, Joe Donnelly, and that paleolithic Olympia Snowe! Now labor union leaders are all knuckledraggers as well! wow. the whole country is becoming unlivable with so many Neanderthals emerging from hiding!

The Teamsters, now, they are right up there next to the Tea Party in how primitive they are! and those Electrical Workers, can't trust them at all now, can we?

What is wrong with this country anyway? The Enlightened One has Spoken and we are not all grovelling in gratitude at His Magnificence!




Max Baucus abandoned ship two months ago. Maybe it's something infectuous that is clouding everyone's judgment?

Pretty soon, only His Munificence, Her Royal Highness the Princess of HHS, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi will be the only ones left comforted by Rover's devotion. The rest of us will all have been consigned to second-tier status for our lack of wisdom.

Despite being a gloating d-bag, Grover still has a point, though, in that this delay bill still has to be passed by both houses and either signed or overridden by both houses.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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A part of me just wants to sit back with the group of people pointing and laughing at these union bosses saying, "We told you so." We tried to tell them not to side with this evil, and yet they did.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...7/19/the-insiders-obamacare-is-falling-apart/

Maybe we should let these evil left-wingers (Obummer, Pelosi, Reid, Cuomo, Bloomberg, Emmanuel, Newsom, Brown, etc.) destroy the country, and then they might learn, when it comes time to start fresh, what mistakes not to make. Of course, there really isn't much hope for the human race, because we went through all of this with the Roman Republic.

 

[Rover]

we went through all of this with the Roman Republic.

Interesting parallel since most conservatives were alive back then.

 

[FreshFish]

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This is not good.

Fifty-five working days before the launch of the ObamaCare health-insurance exchanges on Oct. 1, the administration published a 600-page final rule that employers, individuals and states are expected to follow in determining eligibility for millions of Americans.

If you get everything right the first time, that's 11 pages per day. If everything needs to be double-checked, that's 22 pages per day. We're not talking about merely reading them, it's deciphering them into action steps, translating them from jargon into language ordinary people can understand and follow, making sure everything is consistent with everything else (with PPACA that's nearly impossible, unfortunately).

A person who wants everyone vaccinated and warns of a fateful epidemic never wants to be right when his/her warnings are ignored and disaster strikes. PPACA implementation is going to be a disaster, and the only thing Oblamer cares about is mitigating political fallout for the 2014 mid-term elections.

 

[Rover]

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/100925732

Nice to see people solving problems instead of just whining all day.

 

[FreshFish]

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Do any of the resident Obamaphiles want to defend the way that Congress is suddenly having the President exempt them from terms of PPACA despite clear statutory language to the contrary?

Are you guys really that comfortable with the executive branch re-writing statutes on its own, when that always has been reserved solely as a legislative power?

 

[Rover]

Do any of the resident Obamaphiles want to defend the way that Congress is suddenly having the President exempt them from terms of PPACA despite clear statutory language to the contrary?

Are you guys really that comfortable with the executive branch re-writing statutes on its own, when that always has been reserved solely as a legislative power?

I'm completely on board as the GOP Congress is the worst in the history of the Republic. In that context I'd expect Obama to take action to govern while one party in one half of one third of the govt tries to hold everybody else hostage. Look, The Boner is impotent. No use waiting around for him to stiffen up his spine.

However, I sense the GOP isn't too bent out of shape over this as they were worried about losing their staff. From a party that calls for impeachment hearings when Obama forgets to pet stray dogs when he's on vacation, their silence is all you need to know.

 

[St. Clown]

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I'm completely on board as the GOP Congress is the worst in the history of the Republic. In that context I'd expect Obama to take action to govern while one party in one half of one third of the govt tries to hold everybody else hostage. Look, The Boner is impotent. No use waiting around for him to stiffen up his spine.

However, I sense the GOP isn't too bent out of shape over this as they were worried about losing their staff. From a party that calls for impeachment hearings when Obama forgets to pet stray dogs when he's on vacation, their silence is all you need to know.

How is the worst Congress "the GOP Congress" when the Dems control the Senate and GOP controls the House? A number of bills have passed the House and Reid refuses to even take a vote on them. Obstructionism goes both ways, control of the two houses goes both ways.

 

[Rover]

How is the worst Congress "the GOP Congress" when the Dems control the Senate and GOP controls the House? A number of bills have passed the House and Reid refuses to even take a vote on them. Obstructionism goes both ways, control of the two houses goes both ways.

The GOP House refuses to go to conference on the budget. Why is that?

The Senate passed bipartisan immigration reform. What has the House done?

Senate passed bipartisan farm bill. What has the House done?

Obstructionism = Republicans. That's why the party right now is as popular as used car salesmen. You guys tried leading up to the 2012 elections. How did that work out again?

 

[St. Clown]

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Obstructionism = Republicans. That's why the party right now is as popular as used car salesmen. You guys tried leading up to the 2012 elections. How did that work out again?

I'm not a Republican. I quit any affiliation with them back around late 2003. I merely bring up that each party controls one house of Congress because it's not just side making the problems.

Oh, and in regards to the budge, the Senate can't create a budget. All spending bills must originate withing the House. The Senate can create all the budgets in the world, they hold no water if someone were to challenge them in court. Still, I think the House has taken on a seriously pusillanimous tone by using these CRs instead of a true budget bill.

 

[unofan]

I'm not a Republican. I quit any affiliation with them back around late 2003. I merely bring up that each party controls one house of Congress because it's not just side making the problems.

Oh, and in regards to the budge, the Senate can't create a budget. All spending bills must originate withing the House. The Senate can create all the budgets in the world, they hold no water if someone were to challenge them in court. Still, I think the House has taken on a seriously pusillanimous tone by using these CRs instead of a true budget bill.

You do realize there is a legislative end around to that, right? The Senate merely takes a bill that originated in the house and amends it with all of its budgetary ideas. Thus the Senate passes a budget bill that originated in the house, and the Constitution is satisfied

 

[FreshFish]

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I'd expect Obama to take action to govern.

I expected you enthusiastically to promote the totalitarian option. Your nose is so far up Oblamer's anus I wonder how you can even breathe!

 

[St. Clown]

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You do realize there is a legislative end around to that, right? The Senate merely takes a bill that originated in the house and amends it with all of its budgetary ideas. Thus the Senate passes a budget bill that originated in the house, and the Constitution is satisfied

Yes, and it happens all the time. However, the House never took up any bill, let alone passed one to the Senate. This Senate passed a budget bill that it originated. It's meaningless.

 

[brookyone]

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More disturbing to me...as someone who has supported the legislation, is my own recent discovery that the federal government may indeed be intruding upon and restricting the dispense of certain prescription drugs with complete disregard for the doctors orders for dispense of those prescription drugs and subsequently the doctors intended benefit to his patients per his / her decision to prescribe those medications.

I haven't verified this yet but I will. This is what I learned via a letter received last week from my Rx coverage provider. They didn't specify this new "provision" was enacted by the PPACA in the letter but claimed that was the case during a call to their customer service. Per extensive past experience with health insurance providers I won't take their word for it...but I will investigate on my own. If true, it's the government pulling the exact same kind of crap the crooked HMO's have been pulling for decades...and the very type of HMO crap the law was intended to protect the consumer from.

So, the PPACA mandates the health insurers can't deny / refuse you coverage and thus, treatment for illness...but now the govt. can deny you the medication your Dr. prescribes? Huh?

It's wrong...every bit as wrong as any bull doody health insurance providers have perpetrated over the last 4+ decades, denying coverage, denying treatment, also refusing to pay for medications prescribed, blackballing the undesirable consumer right out of the free market etc. etc.

 

[unofan]

Yes, and it happens all the time. However, the House never took up any bill, let alone passed one to the Senate. This Senate passed a budget bill that it originated. It's meaningless.

The Senate couldve used one of the 40-some attempts to repeal Obamacare.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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More disturbing to me...as someone who has supported the legislation, is my own recent discovery that the federal government may indeed be intruding upon and restricting the dispense of certain prescription drugs with complete disregard for the doctors orders for dispense of those prescription drugs and subsequently the doctors intended benefit to his patients per his / her decision to prescribe those medications.

I haven't verified this yet but I will. This is what I learned via a letter received last week from my Rx coverage provider. They didn't specify this new "provision" was enacted by the PPACA in the letter but claimed that was the case during a call to their customer service. Per extensive past experience with health insurance providers I won't take their word for it...but I will investigate on my own. If true, it's the government pulling the exact same kind of crap the crooked HMO's have been pulling for decades...and the very type of HMO crap the law was intended to protect the consumer from.

So, the PPACA mandates the health insurers can't deny / refuse you coverage and thus, treatment for illness...but now the govt. can deny you the medication your Dr. prescribes? Huh?

It's wrong...every bit as wrong as any bull doody health insurance providers have perpetrated over the last 4+ decades, denying coverage, denying treatment, also refusing to pay for medications prescribed, blackballing the undesirable consumer right out of the free market etc. etc.

This actually isn't new. The FDA has been doing this for a century now. I'm sure within the next 24 hours we'll hear The Jungle speech to refute this complaint.

You wanted these laws and such? You got 'em, and everything that goes with 'em.

 

[FreshFish]

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Why am I not surprised?

Aetna is pulling out of ObamaCare in Connecticut.

Aetna calculated that the premiums the company could charge were unlikely to cover the cost of its claims.

Aetna is the second of five insurers that wanted to participate in the Connecticut exchange to drop out under regulatory pressure on prices.

Gee, what happens if you mandate coverage requirements AND mandate loss ratios AND mandate what is an 'acceptable' premium to a regulator?