The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[Rover]

Health insurance costs to plummet in NY?! THEY'RE THE HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY AND COULDN'T GET ANY HIGHER!!! That's like saying the housing crash of 2007 didn't exist because real estate prices in Buffalo went up. Don't let those facts get in the way of your pandering, though.

So, you say that companies aren't capping their employment to circumvent legislation. Darden restaurants didn't recently make changes to employment style (owners of Olive Garden and Red Lobster), and Regal didn't just lay off a bunch of full-time workers. No, they just put those words out there to put a smile on the faces of those who supposedly have their lips securely affixed to the Speaker of the House's rear end.

No dice Flaggy. In your fear-mongering you never put a ceiling on your predictions for how high premiums could go under Obamacare. You don't get to pull that out of your @_ss now. Perhaps your problem is that when the law is implemented properly it actually works as advertised?

To your second point, Darden backed off its test of keeping all workers at certain restaurants under 29 hours after getting roasted in the court of public opinion:

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/morning_call/2012/12/darden-to-back-down-on-some-health.html


Never let facts get in the way of a good rant though!

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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No dice Flaggy. In your fear-mongering you never put a ceiling on your predictions for how high premiums could go under Obamacare. You don't get to pull that out of your @_ss now. Perhaps your problem is that when the law is implemented properly it actually works as advertised?

To your second point, Darden backed off its test of keeping all workers at certain restaurants under 29 hours after getting roasted in the court of public opinion:

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/morning_call/2012/12/darden-to-back-down-on-some-health.html


Never let facts get in the way of a good rant though!

When did I say that they could only go in one direction in both the short-term and long-term? And when was I talking about a specific state instead of the country as a whole during "fear-mongering"? The whole time, I was talking about the country in general in a long-term sense. I'm guessing your fancy education didn't include any economics classes, and if they did, probably just a bunch of pro-Communism hogwash. Oh, but let the ends justify the means. Huff-and-puffers are good at that.

Didn't want to address Regal, eh? What, are they actually proving the point? I'm sure there are a few others as well, but go ahead and turn the blind eye.

 

[Rover]

When did I say that they could only go in one direction in both the short-term and long-term? And when was I talking about a specific state instead of the country as a whole during "fear-mongering"? The whole time, I was talking about the country in general in a long-term sense. I'm guessing your fancy education didn't include any economics classes, and if they did, probably just a bunch of pro-Communism hogwash. Oh, but let the ends justify the means. Huff-and-puffers are good at that.

Didn't want to address Regal, eh? What, are they actually proving the point? I'm sure there are a few others as well, but go ahead and turn the blind eye.

You said they're going to go up in like every other post. C'mon Flaggy, no time to wimp out now. Stand by those predictions man!

I will destroy your Regal comment right now. From wikipedia: "In June 2011, after posting a loss for the first quarter, Regal began downsizing its theater employees by removing managers from projection and replacing them with lower paid floor staff. This move allowed Regal to layoff part time managers across the country and forcibly demote many full time managers to part time. As theaters converted to all digital automated screens, Regal also removed projectionists altogether. This focus on "cost control" helped the company post better than expected profits for the 3rd quarter of that year"

So....hmm.....what's funny about this story....oh yeah, they started converting employees to part time IN 2011 DUE TO DECLINING PROFITS!!! I don't like humiliating you guys on a regular basis but you have to admit some fault of your own here.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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You said they're going to go up in like every other post. C'mon Flaggy, no time to wimp out now. Stand by those predictions man!

I will destroy your Regal comment right now. From wikipedia: "In June 2011, after posting a loss for the first quarter, Regal began downsizing its theater employees by removing managers from projection and replacing them with lower paid floor staff. This move allowed Regal to layoff part time managers across the country and forcibly demote many full time managers to part time. As theaters converted to all digital automated screens, Regal also removed projectionists altogether. This focus on "cost control" helped the company post better than expected profits for the 3rd quarter of that year"

So....hmm.....what's funny about this story....oh yeah, they started converting employees to part time IN 2011 DUE TO DECLINING PROFITS!!! I don't like humiliating you guys on a regular basis but you have to admit some fault of your own here.

Once again, you keep taking what I said out of context. What was the context of that every other post? I don't need to tell you, seeing as how you supposedly read each one and remember it.

I also love how you believe companies only go through one furlough. Keep trying to take things out of context, though; you're quite good at it.

 

[brookyone]

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Once again, you keep taking what I said out of context. What was the context of that every other post? I don't need to tell you, seeing as how you supposedly read each one and remember it.

I also love how you believe companies only go through one furlough. Keep trying to take things out of context, though; you're quite good at it.

A criticism of considerable comedic value...indeed. Like that fine attention to the true set of circumstances and facts that surround a particular event, situation...like a young girl needing a lung transplant for instance. By all means keep giving us the scoop on everything with your finely honed skills of interpreting matters in their proper context.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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A criticism of considerable comedic value...indeed. Like that fine attention to the true set of circumstances and facts that surround a particular event, situation...like a young girl needing a lung transplant for instance. By all means keep giving us the scoop on everything with your finely honed skills of interpreting matters in their proper context.

Is this some thinly veiled attempt at trying to use the ends to justify the means?

 

[brookyone]

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Is this some thinly veiled attempt at trying to use the ends to justify the means?

Not an attempt at anything remotely thinly veiled. You're still a fraud who constantly employs two sets of standards, generously loose in your own behalf, strict in restraint for those who disagree with you in any debate or discussion per your general spreading of horse manure. Does that sound thinly veiled? You're the last person who should be criticizing anyone else on matters of proper context.

You and proper context...like I said, that's funny.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Not an attempt at anything remotely thinly veiled. You're still a fraud who constantly employs two sets of standards, generously loose in your own behalf, strict in restraint for those who disagree with you in any debate or discussion per your general spreading of horse manure. Does that sound thinly veiled? You're the last person who should be criticizing anyone else on matters of proper context.

You and proper context...like I said, that's funny.

This is interesting, someone lecturing me on something of which the lecturer is expert. You may want to re-think what you determine to be a vice and what you practice, unless of course you fully endorse the practice of vices, which is entirely possible.

 

[FreshFish]

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Yesterday's House activity

Opposition to more of the Affordable Care Act is becoming bipartisan.

The first measure, which sailed through 264 to 161 with 35 Democrats in favor, codified President Obama's decision to suspend the Affordable Care Act's employer mandate to extend insurance benefits to workers or else pay a penalty. The White House lacks the legal authority to delay the mandate by fiat, so the vote was a vindication of the rule of law.

The other vote was on behalf of fairness, a principle that liberals usually claim to like. Why relax ObamaCare's mandate for well-connected corporations but not the mandate that applies to individuals? By 251 to 174, the House voted to delay the individual mandate-tax to purchase insurance for the same one-year period that Mr. Obama is delaying the employer mandate. Twenty-two Democrats joined that majority. [emphases added]

By contrast, 0 Republicans voted in favor of PPACA in the House and Senate combined.

 

[FreshFish]

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Its a funny thing about knuckledragging. They always revert back to the same tactics. For example, some hypothetical knuck' might post something like "There can be no doubt now that PPACA as written is seriously suppressing job growth. There is abundant evidence that employers are both capping their full-time payrolls at 49, and also are capping hours for "part-time" workers at 29 / week, specifically to avoid the trigger points of the law"

when a factual event comes along, there's [ample evidence]

So Susan Collins and Joe Donnelly (D - IN) are knuckledraggers now? Who knew?

In Lafayette, Ind., a school district cut the hours of 200 support staff to no more than 29 per week. In Bangor, Maine, the school system is preparing to track and cap the number of hours worked by substitute teachers to ensure that they don't work more than 29 hours a week. Elsewhere, in Portland, Maine, a small business reduced a part-time employee's hours from 35 to 29.

We are hearing reports like this from across the country. Why is this happening?

It's happening because under the Affordable Care Act a "full-time employee" is defined as anyone working an average of 30 hours a week, rather than the traditionally accepted 40-hour work week. Employers with more than 50 full-time employees or full-time equivalents will be required to provide their employees with health insurance or potentially face a financial penalty, essentially a fine.

This rule is causing a growing number of employers to cut the hours of their workers, and according to one study by the UC Berkeley Labor Center, at least 2.3 million workers are at risk. This provision of the health law is not in the best interests of the country, and it needs to change. [emphases added]

 

[St. Clown]

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So Susan Collins and Joe Donnelly (D - IN) are knuckledraggers now? Who knew?

I know that the guys who work at the Arby's across the street from my office are limited to 25 hours. The guy running the register said that he worked 25 hours there, and then another 25 at the Wendy's by his house. He told me that outside of the two or three "big" (his word) managers at both places, everyone's like that.

 

[Rover]

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I appreciate how you knuckledraggers won't give it up, but the ship's already sailed on you idiots mercifully.
Check this out:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/white-house-report-health-care-savings-94418.html

Now I fully expect some of you dinosaurs to post something about how Joe's All You Can Eat Chicken Shack in town reduced Betsy the Waitress from 35 hours to 29, which may or may not be due to Obamacare, but the problem with all of your anecdotes is that its undone by simple facts, sorta like how I torched the Regal Cinemas and the Darden Restaurants examples in an earlier post. Susan Collins and Joe Donnelly are wrong, simply put. Doesn't make them bad people. More like nervous nellies. . The law is in place and the savings are starting to be realized.

PS - In two financial companies I've worked for, "full time" was a 37.5 hour work week.

 

[unofan]

I know that the guys who work at the Arby's across the street from my office are limited to 25 hours. The guy running the register said that he worked 25 hours there, and then another 25 at the Wendy's by his house. He told me that outside of the two or three "big" (his word) managers at both places, everyone's like that.

I worked at a restaurant in high school as a busboy. Even though my shifts were scheduled for 6 hours, I rarely worked more than 3 before being cut following the lunch/dinner rush. That was in the late nineties and I was making all of 3.15/hr plus a cut of the tips.

Newsflash: tightwad businesses are tightwads.

 

[FreshFish]

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Newsflash: tightwad businesses are tightwads.

It's real easy to be generous with other people's money, I guess.

 

[geezer]

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Check this out:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/white-house-report-health-care-savings-94418.html

talk about worthless sourcing of "facts". You're referencing a White House press release about how awesome the White House plan is going to be NEXT YEAR. The levels of bizarrity in this little fantasyworld "news item" hurt my brain.

The longer we put off admitting that Obamacare has been a complete failure and is bankrupting us, the more it's going to hurt when we finally do. The time to scrap this fiasco was before any of these layoffs started.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I appreciate how you knuckledraggers won't give it up, but the ship's already sailed on you idiots mercifully.
Check this out:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/white-house-report-health-care-savings-94418.html

Now I fully expect some of you dinosaurs to post something about how Joe's All You Can Eat Chicken Shack in town reduced Betsy the Waitress from 35 hours to 29, which may or may not be due to Obamacare, but the problem with all of your anecdotes is that its undone by simple facts, sorta like how I torched the Regal Cinemas and the Darden Restaurants examples in an earlier post. Susan Collins and Joe Donnelly are wrong, simply put. Doesn't make them bad people. More like nervous nellies. . The law is in place and the savings are starting to be realized.

PS - In two financial companies I've worked for, "full time" was a 37.5 hour work week.

Reduction in health care costs for California... same boat as New York. Also, you may have "torched" two specific examples, but just like the hydra, once one head is cut off, three more grow. Keep trying to squash if you want, but one thing you must understand about "knuckledraggers" is that they're able to look beyond their own nose.

The law doesn't care what your full time was at a financial company. It is dictated as 30 hours.

 

[Rover]

talk about worthless sourcing of "facts". You're referencing a White House press release about how awesome the White House plan is going to be NEXT YEAR. The levels of bizarrity in this little fantasyworld "news item" hurt my brain.

The longer we put off admitting that Obamacare has been a complete failure and is bankrupting us, the more it's going to hurt when we finally do. The time to scrap this fiasco was before any of these layoffs started.

True to your name I fear the times have passed you by! Obamacare is the law so start complying or get ready to feed the bears. Nothing's worse than listening to old people crying about how the country can't go back to 1982. We just had an election that settled all that in case you missed it.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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True to your name I fear the times have passed you by! Obamacare is the law so start complying or get ready to feed the bears. Nothing's worse than listening to old people crying about how the country can't go back to 1982. We just had an election that settled all that in case you missed it.

And yet, you're whining about people that actually are complying, just not in the method that huff-and-puffers wanted. You want a law? You got it, and everything that goes with it.

 

[unofan]

It's real easy to be generous with other people's money, I guess.

I've never eaten at that establishment ( a regional chain) and discourage my friends and family from doing so. They were pennywise and pound fools.

Also are you really arguing against the assertion that some businesses are cheapasses? The vast majority of companies are not going to be changing anything other than some paperwork due to the healthcare law. Most of those that do probably would've screwed over their employees anyway, this just gives them a nice excuse.

 

[Rover]

And yet, you're whining about people that actually are complying, just not in the method that huff-and-puffers wanted. You want a law? You got it, and everything that goes with it.

You've confusing whining with laughing. I'm laughing, at you, and your fellow knucks' as you continue to flail around like a fish out of water. Keep it coming, I've got a whole garden to fertilize and your posts save me money from having to go to Ace and pick up a few bags.