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The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

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FreshFish said:
well, at least we are getting something out of the President who plays the most golf in office since Eisenhower, he knows how to take a mulligan!
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Got to make sure Obama care doesn't screw up mid term elections
 
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walrus said:
Got to make sure Obama care doesn't screw up mid term elections
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Too late for that already. They've been trumpeting the exchanges which won't be ready on time. the ones that are ready offer such limited access, what good is a policy if you can't find a physician who will accept you as a patient? we're seeing it already and the exchanges aren't even started yet.

Public service announcement, in all seriousness: find yourself a physician NOW. if you are under 25, ask your parents to ask their doctor to accept you as a patient as an exception since it is family.
 
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FreshFish said:
Too late for that already. They've been trumpeting the exchanges which won't be ready on time. the ones that are ready offer such limited access, what good is a policy if you can't find a physician who will accept you as a patient? we're seeing it already and the exchanges aren't even started yet.

Public service announcement, in all seriousness: find yourself a physician NOW. if you are under 25, ask your parents to ask their doctor to accept you as a patient as an exception since it is family.
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It'll be ten months since implementation. The public will forget.
 
FreshFish said:
Too late for that already. They've been trumpeting the exchanges which won't be ready on time. the ones that are ready offer such limited access, what good is a policy if you can't find a physician who will accept you as a patient? we're seeing it already and the exchanges aren't even started yet.

Public service announcement, in all seriousness: find yourself a physician NOW. if you are under 25, ask your parents to ask their doctor to accept you as a patient as an exception since it is family.
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Ok Mitt. And what is your solution for the millions of Americans who can't mooch off their parents? You know, the reason we need health care reform in the first place because they don't have any health care coverage to begin with due to things like corrupt insurance companies, tightwad employers and pre-existing conditions?

So far, the only thing I'm taking from your whining is that single payer continues to sound like a remarkably sane idea.
 
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As others in other media have pointed out, the individual mandate is still in place. As I understand it, I am required to get health insurance my employer is not required* to provide.

* Well, technically, the employer HAS to provide health insurance (by law), but the executive branch will not enforce the law for the first year.^

^ Is the administration setting a record for not enforcing laws on the books?
 
unofan said:
Ok Mitt. And what is your solution for the millions of Americans who can't mooch off their parents? You know, the reason we need health care reform in the first place because they don't have any health care coverage to begin with due to things like corrupt insurance companies, tightwad employers and pre-existing conditions?
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Don't get sick.
 
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unofan said:
Ok Mitt. And what is your solution for the millions of Americans who can't mooch off their parents? You know, the reason we need health care reform in the first place because they don't have any health care coverage to begin with due to things like corrupt insurance companies, tightwad employers and pre-existing conditions?

So far, the only thing I'm taking from your whining is that single payer continues to sound like a remarkably sane idea.
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When these newly insured people do get sick, yet can't find a PCP to care for them because the PCPs already sit at full capacity for patients, what good towards keeping healthcare costs down does having these patients insured? They're now paying for services they can't receive. Sure, they'll lower your overall costs, but that won't benefit them.
 
St. Clown said:
When these newly insured people do get sick, yet can't find a PCP to care for them because the PCPs already sit at full capacity for patients, what good towards keeping healthcare costs down does having these patients insured? They're now paying for services they can't receive. Sure, they'll lower your overall costs, but that won't benefit them.
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Except now when they end up in urgent care or the e.r., their bills are covered.

Otherwise, your argument still seems to compel me to believe single payer is the way to go.
 
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unofan said:
Except now when they end up in urgent care or the e.r., their bills are covered.

Otherwise, your argument still seems to compel me to believe single payer is the way to go.
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It's nice that the ER can take care of them. That's even better than Mitt Romney's "Don't Get Sick" program.
 
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unofan said:
Except now when they end up in urgent care or the e.r., their bills are covered.

Otherwise, your argument still seems to compel me to believe single payer is the way to go.
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Even without insurance, their bills were still paid. It's merely the mode of payment that's now changed. There's still no net social benefit from the PPACA. Instead of either paying the bills themselves, for those who can, or the government for those who can't, these people who can pay are submitting monthly checks to an insurance company and those who can't still have the government paying their ER visits, only the name of the check has changed.
 
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St. Clown said:
Even without insurance, their bills were still paid. It's merely the mode of payment that's now changed. There's still no net social benefit from the PPACA. Instead of either paying the bills themselves, for those who can, or the government for those who can't, these people who can pay are submitting monthly checks to an insurance company and those who can't still have the government paying their ER visits, only the name of the check has changed.
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Last time I checked the ER was more expensive than the standard doctor visit. Where was it that you go to the ER where it isn't?
 
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joecct said:
As others in other media have pointed out, the individual mandate is still in place. As I understand it, I am required to get health insurance my employer is not required* to provide.

* Well, technically, the employer HAS to provide health insurance (by law), but the executive branch will not enforce the law for the first year.^

^ Is the administration setting a record for not enforcing laws on the books?
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According to Justice Roberts, the mandate is unconstitutional; he rewrote the law so that what was once the "mandate" is now a "choice" and what was once the "penalty" is now a "tax":

you can choose either to pay for insurance or pay the tax. He noted that the IRS does not have the authority to penalize people if they don't pay the tax, they merely collect the tax and if the tax becomes past due, the tax plus interest. Unlike income tax, which does have penalties if you don't pay it on time.

It is not at all clear that the administration even pays attention to the laws as they are written!



Lost in the hullabaloo over last week's SCOTUS ruling was a little-noticed ruling that might eventually lead to the invalidation of the requirement that all employers must pay for contraceptive services if the employer objects to providing abortifacients under religious grounds.

Hey, women may be dying at a record rate because of prescription painkiller abuse, but that doesn't really matter as a women's health issue as long as they can eject fertilized eggs from their womb, right? uh, right?
 
St. Clown said:
Even without insurance, their bills were still paid. It's merely the mode of payment that's now changed. There's still no net social benefit from the PPACA. Instead of either paying the bills themselves, for those who can, or the government for those who can't, these people who can pay are submitting monthly checks to an insurance company and those who can't still have the government paying their ER visits, only the name of the check has changed.
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There's no net social benefit in preventing people from going bankrupt due to medical bills?
 
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