The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgiving

[joecct]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

Reciting the pledge isn't a job requirement.

But it may be a public law or an implemented policy of the school board.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

There are no such laws compelling you to say it that would stand up in court.

 

[LynahFan]

I said it inartfully (yay for texting from a cell phone in a hotel room). But you can waive your right to exercise your religion by your job choice. An NFL player will have to play on Sundays, for instance, even if his religion otherwise prohibits working on the Sabbath. He can choose his religion or his job, but no judge in the world is going to say the NFL will have to accommodate that aspect of his religion.

ah - gotcha. thanks, and I agree.

 

[joecct]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

I said it inartfully (yay for texting from a cell phone in a hotel room). But you can waive your right to exercise your religion by your job choice. An NFL player will have to play on Sundays, for instance, even if his religion otherwise prohibits working on the Sabbath. He can choose his religion or his job, but no judge in the world is going to say the NFL will have to accommodate that aspect of his religion.

Sandy Koufax and Hank Greenberg did not play on Yom Kippur - and it was the World Series.

BTW, the BYU rule for the NCAA hoops tournament says they must play in a Thursday / Saturday regional. They don't play on Sundays.

 

[unofan]

Sandy Koufax and Hank Greenberg did not play on Yom Kippur - and it was the World Series.

BTW, the BYU rule for the NCAA hoops tournament says they must play in a Thursday / Saturday regional. They don't play on Sundays.

Yeah. But they don't have to make that exception, and baseball could say too bad, too.

Or are you saying a judge would force the NFL to accommodate an observant football player?

 

[joecct]

Yeah. But they don't have to make that exception, and baseball could say too bad, too.

Or are you saying a judge would force the NFL to accommodate an observant football player?

No it would be a personal choice like if Thursday night football fell on some major religious day.

 

[Slap Shot]

But it may be a public law or an implemented policy of the school board.

Where?

 

[joecct]

Where?

My local school board for one. Check agendas for who does what.

Heck, Congress opens with a prayer (and they probably need all the prayers they can get).

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

Sandy Koufax and Hank Greenberg did not play on Yom Kippur - and it was the World Series.

BTW, the BYU rule for the NCAA hoops tournament says they must play in a Thursday / Saturday regional. They don't play on Sundays.

There was a time when peoples' beliefs were a good deal more important in their decision making than they are nowadays, generally speaking. Eric Liddell sitting out the 100 at the 1924 Olympics, as depicted in Chariots of Fire is another example, and I'm sure I've heard of others, though I don't recall any recently.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

There was a time when peoples' beliefs were a good deal more important in their decision making than they are nowadays, generally speaking. Eric Liddell sitting out the 100 at the 1924 Olympics, as depicted in Chariots of Fire is another example, and I'm sure I've heard of others, though I don't recall any recently.

It could be that the important beliefs have just shifted, away from rituals and observances and towards values. For instance, a hundred years ago nobody cared about the environment and there were very few boycotts of products because of "market vice" practices. Today people may act on their beliefs politically.

People may have stopped worrying about eating meat on Friday or going to a ballgame on Sunday while putting their spiritual energies into causes and movements.

 

[joecct]

It could be that the important beliefs have just shifted, away from rituals and observances and towards values. For instance, a hundred years ago nobody cared about the environment and there were very few boycotts of products because of "market vice" practices. Today people may act on their beliefs politically.

People may have stopped worrying about eating meat on Friday or going to a ballgame on Sunday while putting their spiritual energies into causes and movements.

Lent is still abstinance.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

My local school board for one. Check agendas for who does what.

Heck, Congress opens with a prayer (and they probably need all the prayers they can get).

Yeah none of that answers the question.

 

[burd]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

There was a time when peoples' beliefs were a good deal more important in their decision making than they are nowadays, generally speaking. Eric Liddell sitting out the 100 at the 1924 Olympics, as depicted in Chariots of Fire is another example, and I'm sure I've heard of others, though I don't recall any recently.

It could be that the important beliefs have just shifted, away from rituals and observances and towards values. For instance, a hundred years ago nobody cared about the environment and there were very few boycotts of products because of "market vice" practices. Today people may act on their beliefs politically.

People may have stopped worrying about eating meat on Friday or going to a ballgame on Sunday while putting their spiritual energies into causes and movements.

It's unfortunate that 100 years ago nobody acted on their belief that black people should be able to sit next to white folks at the restaurant or that women should have the same rights as men. I guess most people either didn't care about others back in the day or had no conviction to act.

 

[joecct]

It's unfortunate that 100 years ago nobody acted on their belief that black people should be able to sit next to white folks at the restaurant or that women should have the same rights as men. I guess most people either didn't care about others back in the day or had no conviction to act.

100 years ago that noted progressive president, the former president of Princeton and former governor of New Jersey resegregated the federal workforce.

They believed that non whites (the exception were the Japanese) were inferior. It was genetics, you see.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

It could be that the important beliefs have just shifted, away from rituals and observances and towards values. For instance, a hundred years ago nobody cared about the environment and there were very few boycotts of products because of "market vice" practices. Today people may act on their beliefs politically.

People may have stopped worrying about eating meat on Friday or going to a ballgame on Sunday while putting their spiritual energies into causes and movements.

You are correct to an extent that people as a whole aren't as focused on certain days/etc. and I think that is healthy. That said, the real shift is away from making stands that cost a person significantly. Lots of people makes stands nowadays, but how many of those stands cost them a career or a lifelong aspiration or something really significant to them? Not many. People boycott a product and buy a similar product from someone else. No real sacrifice there.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

It's unfortunate that 100 years ago nobody acted on their belief that black people should be able to sit next to white folks at the restaurant or that women should have the same rights as men. I guess most people either didn't care about others back in the day or had no conviction to act.

I'd respond to this if I thought there was a decent discussion being sought out. But I don't see any reason to think so. Typical burd trolling.

 

[Slap Shot]

100 years ago that noted progressive president, the former president of Princeton and former governor of New Jersey resegregated the federal workforce.

They believed that non whites (the exception were the Japanese) were inferior. It was genetics, you see.

And....

 

[joecct]

And....

He got reelected.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

You are correct to an extent that people as a whole aren't as focused on certain days/etc. and I think that is healthy. That said, the real shift is away from making stands that cost a person significantly. Lots of people makes stands nowadays, but how many of those stands cost them a career or a lifelong aspiration or something really significant to them? Not many. People boycott a product and buy a similar product from someone else. No real sacrifice there.

It may be, but I think the willingness to risk much for principle has always been vanishingly rare, which is why it has always been celebrated as exceptional. We may tend to overestimate the number of cases in the past because they loom so large, and because we know the stories in retrospect. Right this moment there may be individuals risking everything who we'll not know about until much later.

 

[burd]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

It's unfortunate that 100 years ago nobody acted on their belief that black people should be able to sit next to white folks at the restaurant or that women should have the same rights as men. I guess most people either didn't care about others back in the day or had no conviction to act.

I'd respond to this if I thought there was a decent discussion being sought out. But I don't see any reason to think so. Typical burd trolling.

You're right--let me rephrase:

There was a time when peoples' beliefs were a good deal less important in their decision making than they are nowadays, generally speaking.