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The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgiving

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Rover said:
For a Republican appointee, I can live with Roberts. ... the court has upheld/legalized 1) the ACA.
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It looks like Roberts may have written his ruling to "uphold" PPACA in such a way as he also undermines it....he effectively knee-caps the "mandate"

the Government asks us to read the mandate not as ordering individuals to buy insurance, but rather as imposing a tax on those who do not buy that product.

While the individual mandate clearly aims to induce the purchase of health insurance, it need not be read to declare that failing to do so is unlawful. Neither the Act nor any other law attaches negative legal consequences to not buying health insurance, beyond requiring a payment to the IRS. The Government agrees with that reading, confirming that if someone chooses to pay rather than obtain health insurance, they have fully complied with the law. [emphasis added]
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"go ahead, folks, ignore the 'mandate', no big deal..."
 
FreshFish said:
It looks like Roberts may have written his ruling to "uphold" PPACA in such a way as he also undermines it....he effectively knee-caps the "mandate"



"go ahead, folks, ignore the 'mandate', no big deal..."
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The mandate is buy insurance or pay the IRS for not doing so. Currently the system as upheld by SCOTUS is that you get insurance or pay the IRS for not doing so.

Yeah, he really undercut that part of the mandate... :rolleyes:

But keep being deliberately obtuse if it helps you sleep at night. Maybe you can join Karl Rove in doing Republican math.
 
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Oh, and did you know that Excel 97 had a built-in flight simulator? I know you NoDaks like planes.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
**** that. Shotgun, tarp, and shovel.
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By then it's too late. The Little Flower will be pure until her wedding night under my plan! I have the emails to prove it!!!!
 
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joecct said:
By then it's too late. The Little Flower will be pure until her wedding night under my plan! I have the emails to prove it!!!!
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No, no. I mean before. Kill all the men.
 
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unofan said:
The mandate is buy insurance or pay the IRS for not doing so. Currently the system as upheld by SCOTUS is that you get insurance or pay the IRS for not doing so.

Yeah, he really undercut that part of the mandate...
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Oh c'mon now, we both know you are smarter than that. You really shouldn't be so blindly partisan that you deliberately deny the obvious.

"mandate" = mandatory = you must buy insurance, or else you are violating the law.

Roberts revoked the mandate. It is now a choice: you can either buy insurance, or you can pay a tax, it's up to you. No harm, no foul, either way.

And lots of people are choosing the tax over the insurance. Not too long ago, the government was predicting 20 million enrollments in PPACA-exchange policies in 2016; now the numbers come out that there will be around 10 million enrollments in 2016, and something like 85% - 90% of those are in Medicaid.

Even the most partisan of Democrats want to repeal the "Cadillac tax" because one of their biggest constituencies, labor unions, are howling about it.

Those are facts, Jack, they are totally non-partisan.
 
FreshFish said:
"mandate" = mandatory = you must buy insurance, or else you are violating the law.

Roberts revoked the mandate. It is now a choice: you can either buy insurance, or you can pay a tax, it's up to you. No harm, no foul, either way.
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Unless you're an idiot (which is always a possibility), you can't possibly think that the penalty for violating the mandate was going to be jail time, especially since it's not a criminal statute. The only alternative to jail time to coerce compliance is a fine. (I guess the third alternative is let people die in the street, but not even St. Reagan (PBUH) pushed for that)

Whether it's called a tax, a penalty, a fine, a fee, a punishment, or anything else, the end result is the same. You get insurance, or the government gets its money.
 
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unofan said:
Unless you're an idiot (which is always a possibility), you can't possibly think that the penalty for violating the mandate was going to be jail time, especially since it's not a criminal statute. The only alternative to jail time to coerce compliance is a fine. (I guess the third alternative is let people die in the street, but not even St. Reagan (PBUH) pushed for that)

Whether it's called a tax, a penalty, a fine, a fee, a punishment, or anything else, the end result is the same. You get insurance, or the government gets its money.
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But, do you get a doctor?
 
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