Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!
That part has already been established.
That part has already been established.
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The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!
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Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!
Well, we already know she doesn't have half an ounce of integrity, so nothing would be surprising.
Well, we already know she doesn't have half an ounce of integrity, so nothing would be surprising.
MissThundercat
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No surprises here; she still refuses to issue licenses
No surprises here; she still refuses to issue licenses
unofan
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Well, there's a contempt charge. Only question is will it be fines, jail, or both?
unofan
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I doubt it. Especially once the attorney fees bills start hitting the county. Even bigots generally don't like throwing away money hand over fist.
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Ok. She really believes that God does not countenance same sex marriage. How far will she go for her faith?
Dismissal?
Jail?
Death?
Or, will she be like the bishop in "Kingdom of Heaven" - embrace Islam now; repent later?
Take Door #1. We will think less of you should you take the Box Jay is offering.
Ok. She really believes that God does not countenance same sex marriage. How far will she go for her faith?
Dismissal?
Jail?
Death?
Or, will she be like the bishop in "Kingdom of Heaven" - embrace Islam now; repent later?
Take Door #1. We will think less of you should you take the Box Jay is offering.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Given that she's shown herself to be clueless about the relationship between religious faith and responsibilities for an executor of state law, I assume she'd go all the way, feeling proud every step. Which is why they should remove her from the job (obviously).
I admire her faith. She's completely wrong, but if your reason for doing something is the Man in the Sky says you have to, well then you have to. What's a Man in the Sky for if not metaphysical certainty?
Given that she's shown herself to be clueless about the relationship between religious faith and responsibilities for an executor of state law, I assume she'd go all the way, feeling proud every step. Which is why they should remove her from the job (obviously).
I admire her faith. She's completely wrong, but if your reason for doing something is the Man in the Sky says you have to, well then you have to. What's a Man in the Sky for if not metaphysical certainty?
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Did the AL supreme court justice cost his state a bundle? As I recall he got re-elected. Bigotry can be a crowd pleaser.
Did the AL supreme court justice cost his state a bundle? As I recall he got re-elected. Bigotry can be a crowd pleaser.
How far will she go to impose her beliefs on others, is the more relevant question here.
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As I've said before, in a situation like this, she should issue the licenses. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. But I respect her taking a stand that might cost her a lot if she sticks to it, something few in this country understand anymore.
I did read somewhere that she is elected and therefore can't simply be fired or let go.
As I've said before, in a situation like this, she should issue the licenses. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. But I respect her taking a stand that might cost her a lot if she sticks to it, something few in this country understand anymore.
I did read somewhere that she is elected and therefore can't simply be fired or let go.
unofan
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If she was principled, she'd quit like others have done. This isn't asking for the Sabbath off or something else which could be accommodated, this is her asking not to have to do her job. That's not being principled, that's being a ******. And by the way, she's not letting anyone else in her office do their jobs, either, which makes her double douchy.
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There is nothing in her actions to respect. She asked for this government job, promising to administer the laws of the land, not those of her personal belief system. She is, at the very least, breaching that promise. What she is doing is no different from refusing to issue licenses to interracial couples based on her own personal belief that interracial marriage is a sin according to the god she has chosen to worship.
There is nothing in her actions to respect. She asked for this government job, promising to administer the laws of the land, not those of her personal belief system. She is, at the very least, breaching that promise. What she is doing is no different from refusing to issue licenses to interracial couples based on her own personal belief that interracial marriage is a sin according to the god she has chosen to worship.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I don't agree with this at all. She does have the courage of her convictions, and that is worthy of respect. Her convictions are ignorant and bigoted, but she doesn't know that. She should be kicked out on her ear, but that's on the people and power structures around her. As far as she's knows, she's Rosa Parks.
This is also false. Most people are wind-up toys. Her faith is most likely something pre-determined by her surroundings and the tools (or lack thereof) she has to make sense of the world. There's likely no "choosing" going on -- she's just another domino in a multi-generational line.
I don't agree with this at all. She does have the courage of her convictions, and that is worthy of respect. Her convictions are ignorant and bigoted, but she doesn't know that. She should be kicked out on her ear, but that's on the people and power structures around her. As far as she's knows, she's Rosa Parks.
This is also false. Most people are wind-up toys. Her faith is most likely something pre-determined by her surroundings and the tools (or lack thereof) she has to make sense of the world. There's likely no "choosing" going on -- she's just another domino in a multi-generational line.
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Not buying it. She is not ignorant of the promise she made to administer the law. She knew she could quit and maintain her convictions in that manner.
As far as her predetermined faith and lack of choice, I guess I'm not quite the fatalist you are, Kep.
Not buying it. She is not ignorant of the promise she made to administer the law. She knew she could quit and maintain her convictions in that manner.
As far as her predetermined faith and lack of choice, I guess I'm not quite the fatalist you are, Kep.
unofan
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Bull. Here's her quote today, "Some people have said I should resign, but I have done my job well." No, she hasn't. That's the whole point. One of her job functions is to issue marriage licenses. She supposedly can't do that because of her beliefs. That's not commendable, that's refusing to work. She should quit, rather than take taxpayer money while not doing her job.
Beyond that, though, is she won't allow her deputy clerks to issue licenses either. So she's not only refusing to do her job, she's preventing others from doing theirs as well.
Contempt hearing is set for Thursday. We'll see what happens then.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Hey, I'm Mr. Sartre -- I abhor fatalism. But the vast majority of people are over-exposed, particularly from a young age, to only one faith, and they naturally adopt it. It's not fate or pre-destination, it's just programming and probability.
As for the KY Wingnut, of course she's unfit to be a public servant -- by all means, kick her to the curb. But I think folks are allowing the grossness of her Iron Age Homophobia to determine whether they're going to respect her act of conscience. To me this is missing the point. Her ideas are loathsome, but she also displays an idealism which, despite being dedicated to an idiotic proposition, is admirable to me.
Hey, I'm Mr. Sartre -- I abhor fatalism. But the vast majority of people are over-exposed, particularly from a young age, to only one faith, and they naturally adopt it. It's not fate or pre-destination, it's just programming and probability.
As for the KY Wingnut, of course she's unfit to be a public servant -- by all means, kick her to the curb. But I think folks are allowing the grossness of her Iron Age Homophobia to determine whether they're going to respect her act of conscience. To me this is missing the point. Her ideas are loathsome, but she also displays an idealism which, despite being dedicated to an idiotic proposition, is admirable to me.
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We ARE supposed to evangelize and witness by our actions. She is not imposing her beliefs IMO. She believes that if she issues SSM licences she is aiding an immoral act. Ok. Fine. Now decide. Her only option now is to be dismissed with prejudice or quit.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Well, she is imposing her beliefs -- she's stopping people from getting licenses. The #1 bullet-proof way to get rid of somebody is if they're not doing their job. She's not, so she's gotta go. Typically when you can't fire a civil servant you move them around. There has to be some filing job she can do.
Well, she is imposing her beliefs -- she's stopping people from getting licenses. The #1 bullet-proof way to get rid of somebody is if they're not doing their job. She's not, so she's gotta go. Typically when you can't fire a civil servant you move them around. There has to be some filing job she can do.
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I wouldn't have a problem with her saying she can't do it because of her beliefs, but if she is restricting someone in her office who has no such objection from also doing it, she is imposing her beliefs on others (her co-workers).
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