Wow. Even worse that it's a Catholic organization. Bigotry was peachy keen for 2000 years, but now it's suddenly a problem? Hilarious. Not so fun INSIDE the barrel, is it?
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The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!
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FlagDUDE08
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Wasn't meant to be a joke. Don't you know teh interwebz is serious business?
Wasn't meant to be a joke. Don't you know teh interwebz is serious business?
FlagDUDE08
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It's called the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.
It's called the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.
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I know, I was just poking at the activists.
But I do expect we'll be hearing more from the polyamorous about "poly pride" and "acceptance", and legal marriage will matter less and less to everyone.
I know, I was just poking at the activists.
But I do expect we'll be hearing more from the polyamorous about "poly pride" and "acceptance", and legal marriage will matter less and less to everyone.
FlagDUDE08
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Are we going to the point where "fluid transfer" becomes illegal and sex involves a brain wave machine?
Are we going to the point where "fluid transfer" becomes illegal and sex involves a brain wave machine?
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I refuse to believe that video was produced with a straight face--no way.
I refuse to believe that video was produced with a straight face--no way.
Kepler
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Which is fine. Actual polys (as distinct from college students experimenting, obnoxious hipsters posturing, and pathetic young Libertarian males who will be lucky to even find one woman to sleep with them let alone multiples) are vanishingly rare -- some Muslims and a handful of hayseed Utah child molesters. The creepy stuff the latter get up to is covered under US law (rape, kidnapping). For the rest, whatever; if you want to try to make your vacation threesome that was awesome into a workaday relationship negotiating chores and bank accounts, good luck with that.
Which is fine. Actual polys (as distinct from college students experimenting, obnoxious hipsters posturing, and pathetic young Libertarian males who will be lucky to even find one woman to sleep with them let alone multiples) are vanishingly rare -- some Muslims and a handful of hayseed Utah child molesters. The creepy stuff the latter get up to is covered under US law (rape, kidnapping). For the rest, whatever; if you want to try to make your vacation threesome that was awesome into a workaday relationship negotiating chores and bank accounts, good luck with that.
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Under the Banner of Heaven is a good book. I disagree with the criticism of Krakauer's writing, posted by others in this thread. While his book on Everest was obviously influenced by his actual presence at the time of the events, everything that I've read from others about the events recounted in Into Thin Air, Under the Banner of Heaven, and Into the Wild suggests he gives a pretty fair account.
As I recall, Charles Darwin may have actually married a close relative and studied the effect of inbreeding on his offspring. Not sure how it turned out, but I've always found that nugget of information about him to be interesting.
See Woody Allen's "Sleepers"
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polygamist same-sex marriage? they tried something similar in the 1960s, back then it was called "communal living."
Everything old is new again, eh?
polygamist same-sex marriage? they tried something similar in the 1960s, back then it was called "communal living."
Everything old is new again, eh?
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Then why do so many state DCF work so hard to keep innocent kids with demonstrably terrible parents? If a parent is a crack-smoking child abuser, they can still get a pro bono attorney to petition for "parental rights", no? Sounds like an inconsistency here.....
Then why do so many state DCF work so hard to keep innocent kids with demonstrably terrible parents? If a parent is a crack-smoking child abuser, they can still get a pro bono attorney to petition for "parental rights", no? Sounds like an inconsistency here.....
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Just to note, it's been surprisingly hard for the government to go after the polygamous towns along the AZ/Utah border. I've watched it play out for decades here in AZ and they have had some recent success in jailing the leader (Jeffs), but it hasn't been as easy as one would think to go in there and clean things up even though there have been claims of child brides, etc. for a long time. And there has been some hesitancy due to things like the Short Creek raid in 1953.
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Is THAT your plan for combating your unintentional celibacy?
Is THAT your plan for combating your unintentional celibacy?
FlagDUDE08
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Yes, along with forcing everyone to become vegans while listening to old commercial jingles.
Is THAT your plan for combating your unintentional celibacy?
Yes, along with forcing everyone to become vegans while listening to old commercial jingles.
unofan
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DCF?
And if the parent had to hire an attorney (nice job going straight to the pro bono route, as though rich parents never do drugs or have their kids taken away but only the mythical welfare queen who is presumably minority and not white based on your crack-smoking jab as well), that would mean the state was seeking to terminate their parental rights. So your own scenario negates your premise.
Shirtless Guy
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Here is a question for you...if Obergefell had gone the other way would you have accepted that the war was over? I don't think so.
Now please don't take that comment as having anything to do with where I stand on the issue, just a question.
Here is a question for you...if Obergefell had gone the other way would you have accepted that the war was over? I don't think so.
Now please don't take that comment as having anything to do with where I stand on the issue, just a question.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I remember some interesting articles to this effect when the whole Jeffs thing was going down. IIRC the rapists were basically using the kids as human shields and threatening to Waco them if the troops moved in. Add in state and local government who were looking the other way if not winking, and a pinch of western anti-gubbmintism, and the cults were more or less left alone. I guess it was also hard to find anyone with standing to complain because of the intimidation and brainwashing. Wasn't it actually the boys who got kicked out as unwelcome competition for the ghouls running FLDS who eventually brought action against Jeffs?
I remember some interesting articles to this effect when the whole Jeffs thing was going down. IIRC the rapists were basically using the kids as human shields and threatening to Waco them if the troops moved in. Add in state and local government who were looking the other way if not winking, and a pinch of western anti-gubbmintism, and the cults were more or less left alone. I guess it was also hard to find anyone with standing to complain because of the intimidation and brainwashing. Wasn't it actually the boys who got kicked out as unwelcome competition for the ghouls running FLDS who eventually brought action against Jeffs?
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No, no...nothing to be read from his selection of crack over, say; meth, heroine, or cocaine...totally innocent choice.
No, no...nothing to be read from his selection of crack over, say; meth, heroine, or cocaine...totally innocent choice.
Kepler
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But it's not Obergefell in a vacuum, it's the whole line of appellate decisions and the sea change in public opinion that makes it the last nail. Had Obergefell gone the other way, it would have been an aberration, so it wouldn't have brought closure to anything.
The "war" itself was probably over almost before it started, when Scalia wrote his famous dissent. Obergefell was a major battle for symbolism, but as others here have noted, the practical issue was settled when it was ruled that liberal states could allow gay marriage, because there was no way the Court was going to rule that you were unmarried when you crossed the state line into Virginia. That's just Too Dred Scott for SCOTUS.
But it's not Obergefell in a vacuum, it's the whole line of appellate decisions and the sea change in public opinion that makes it the last nail. Had Obergefell gone the other way, it would have been an aberration, so it wouldn't have brought closure to anything.
The "war" itself was probably over almost before it started, when Scalia wrote his famous dissent. Obergefell was a major battle for symbolism, but as others here have noted, the practical issue was settled when it was ruled that liberal states could allow gay marriage, because there was no way the Court was going to rule that you were unmarried when you crossed the state line into Virginia. That's just Too Dred Scott for SCOTUS.
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It's fair question and one we should ask ourselves from time to time to check our biases. What strikes me is how hard some people will work to oppose policies of inclusion.
It's fair question and one we should ask ourselves from time to time to check our biases. What strikes me is how hard some people will work to oppose policies of inclusion.
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