The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Is THAT your plan for combating your unintentional celibacy?

Please Rover, the term for them is "incels".

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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This place is hopeless.

Not all. Plenty of them are tolerant, and plenty of them understand that though they have objections in a secular nation they don't get to enact their faith as law.

Behind the front line of noisy self-appointed martyrs, most Christians understand and approve of separation of church and state.

You're right. I blame that on reading too much Freerepublic. It's not good for the soul.

Some Christians need to learn that intolerance of their intolerance is neither hypocrisy, nor "persecution". Better?

Atheists sure as heck don't approve of it. They're trying to get the government to establish their religion.

Atheism and agnosticism are not religions. Try again.

 

[Kepler]

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I obviously feel more libertarian than anything and worked very hard in the republican party of minnesota to help Ron Paul. Although based on other things you've said, you probably think I'm a wacko just as much as the social conservatives...

Fiscal conservatives aren't wackjobs, they're just laboring under the misconception that because a car is designed to move forward it shouldn't also have brakes.

I actually think there's a bit of truth to the joke. To me, libertarianism is what comes of reading only one book (taking for granted that most libertarians have read many books, but all those books are the same book). Libertarians read Hazlitt or Rothbard or, if they're really smart, von Mises, and they notice the huge gap of thought between those authors and naive fiscal liberalism, and so they think they've ascended the mountain and are looking down on the liberals below mired in ignorance.

What they don't realize is behind them is another even steeper mountain, (that second road begins, delightfully ironically, with Hayek, who is utterly misunderstood by libertarians, and goes right through Adam Smith) and at the top of that mountain of knowledge one is back at liberalism, sophisticated this time. Conservatives continually assign the motives and thinking of naive liberals to sophisticated liberals, and thus never speak to the real issues.

But the smart ones get there eventually, this recovered fiscal conservative can promise you.

There is, of course, probably another mountain path in turn behind them, leading to some sort of anarcho-syndicalist temple where you sip tea with Noam Chomsky, but I haven't ascended that yet...

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Fiscal conservatives aren't wackjobs, they're just laboring under the misconception that because a car is designed to move forward it shouldn't also have brakes.

Just because you believe a car should have brakes doesn't mean they should be used for the sake of being used.

 

[geezer]

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This is a great piece.

Money shot:



I finally understand the conservative wailing that gay marriage will "destroy heterosexual marriage." What it really means is, this reframes marriage as something other than the man's protection of and dominion over his wife and kids. That cinematic fantasy that underpins the conservative worldview has just been tossed out as obsolete. That must be truly threatening.

I don't buy the bit about "female submission." It's probably true of a tiny fraction of society, but given that the whole "man's dominion" paradigm was left for dead at least a generation ago, I'd say most of the wailing is just a basic fear of dramatic/rapid change. The fear is of, "how will I be perceived and interact in this revamped society? Will others no longer see my commitment to wife and kids as a sacred thing?" Change is temporarily unsettling, but will settle quickly.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I think a lot of us wish that libertarianism worked. Most guys go through a libertarian phase. However, much like communism, it only works if everyone upholds common morality independently, with no oversight.

In reality, we'd have a world where the Commandments are 1) Don't forgive and never forget 2) Always fook over everyone else before they fook you over, and 3) Always suspect your friends, since your enemies are obvious

 

[geezer]

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Fiscal conservatives aren't wackjobs, they're just laboring under the misconception that because a car is designed to move forward it shouldn't also have brakes.

I actually think there's a bit of truth to the joke. To me, libertarianism is what comes of reading only one book (taking for granted that most libertarians have read many books, but all those books are the same book). Libertarians read Hazlitt or Rothbard or, if they're really smart, von Mises, and they notice the huge gap of thought between those authors and naive fiscal liberalism, and so they think they've ascended the mountain and are looking down on the liberals below mired in ignorance.

What they don't realize is behind them is another even steeper mountain, (that second road begins, delightfully ironically, with Hayek, who is utterly misunderstood by libertarians, and goes right through Adam Smith) and at the top of that mountain of knowledge one is back at liberalism, sophisticated this time. Conservatives continually assign the motives and thinking of naive liberals to sophisticated liberals, and thus never speak to the real issues.

But the smart ones get there eventually, this recovered fiscal conservative can promise you.

In order to climb all those mountains of dusty intellectual lore and theory, you're going to have to put down your common sense somewhere along the way.

 

[Kepler]

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In order to climb all those mountains of dusty intellectual lore and theory, you're going to have to put down your common sense somewhere along the way.

Common sense is what tells us the Earth is flat.

But when ascending those paths, a working BS Detector is as necessary as an oxygen tank. It's an old falsehood that the folks at the top of the mountain have no "sense." Just a compensatory tale told by folks who lack the will to make the climb.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I don't buy the bit about "female submission." It's probably true of a tiny fraction of society, but given that the whole "man's dominion" paradigm was left for dead at least a generation ago, I'd say most of the wailing is just a basic fear of dramatic/rapid change. The fear is of, "how will I be perceived and interact in this revamped society? Will others no longer see my commitment to wife and kids as a sacred thing?" Change is temporarily unsettling, but will settle quickly.

The biggest issue is that now you have female domination, and it is no longer acceptable for men to be men. The homosexual and metrosexual movement is an extension of said domination, because it designed to force a submissive mentality upon men by turning them into the feminist's perception of the man's perception of woman.

However, once you start bringing up things where females previously had an "advantage", such as chivalrous actions by males to make the woman's life easier, or even selective service, feminism goes right out the window, and they start to get all ticked off again that they aren't treated like queens or princesses.

 

[Kepler]

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The biggest issue is that now you have female domination, and it is no longer acceptable for men to be men.

Thus do I refute you, geezer.

 

[geezer]

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Common sense is what tells us the Earth is flat.

You picked a bad example, the truth is the complete opposite. The working fishermen always knew the "intellectual" flat-earth scientists stuck on university campuses were full of crap. They went about their usual navigation while snickering at the idiots who put all their faith in book theory.
although I have to admit, I learned that in a book.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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The biggest issue is that now you have female domination, and it is no longer acceptable for men to be men. The homosexual and metrosexual movement is an extension of said domination, because it designed to force a submissive mentality upon men by turning them into the feminist's perception of the man's perception of woman.

Excuse me while I grab my government-mandated scarf.

That's the kind of comment I would expect from the so-called "manosphere", Flag.

 

[Kepler]

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You picked a bad example, the truth is the complete opposite. The working fishermen always knew the "intellectual" flat-earth scientists stuck on university campuses were full of crap. They went about their usual navigation while snickering at the idiots who put all their faith in book theory.

Again, this is myth. Those Poindexters were the ones who figured out the world was round, at a time when sailors had to keep the land in sight at all times because they had no way of getting back home if they didn't.

The comforting old saws about how the salt of the earth types know the simple truths while the eggheads are running around in circles on the heads of pins are just stuff we tell the Morlocks to keep their chins up. There are more of them; it's good to flatter them with empty nonsense. Now, where did I put those medals?

 

[geezer]

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Again, this is myth. Those Poindexters were the ones who figured out the world was round, at a time when sailors had to keep the land in sight at all times because they had no way of getting back home if they didn't.

Of course, you get a truly smart person once in a while to set things straight.
The big difference maker is that the people who were out fishing for a living (and believe it or not, were perfectly capable of observing horizons) weren't writing books about their observations. They probably never imagined that people could be struggling with such obvious questions.
My guesstimate is that 90% or so of academicians are riding coattails to wherever the wind is blowing that day because they don't have the capability of getting an actual job.

 

[Kepler]

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Of course, you get a truly smart person once in a while to set things straight. My guesstimate is that 90% or so of academicians are riding coattails to wherever the wind is blowing that day because they don't have the capability of getting an actual job.

"90% of everything is crap." -- Theodore Sturgeon

The hardiest mountaineers need to be smart but they need not be academics. There are plenty of autodidact Alpinists. It requires brains, but just as much it requires curiosity and a sense of humor. Degrees, while nice, are just bits of ribbon, and plenty of people leave academia because they want to learn something other than academic process.

 

[geezer]

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"90% of everything is crap." -- Theodore Sturgeon

The hardiest mountaineers need to be smart but they need not be academics. There are plenty of autodidact Alpinists. It requires brains, but just as much it requires curiosity and a sense of humor. Degrees, while nice, are just bits of ribbon, and plenty of people leave academia because they want to learn something other than academic process.

That sounds right. Trouble for some of us is, we've got brains, curiosity, and a sense of humor in good quantities but we're too lazy to get anything done with it. Mostly you need energy/drive/stick-to-it-ness to accomplish something worthwile, including mastery of any field of study. Maybe this goes without saying.

 

[Rover]

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The biggest issue is that now you have female domination, and it is no longer acceptable for men to be men. The homosexual and metrosexual movement is an extension of said domination, because it designed to force a submissive mentality upon men by turning them into the feminist's perception of the man's perception of woman.

However, once you start bringing up things where females previously had an "advantage", such as chivalrous actions by males to make the woman's life easier, or even selective service, feminism goes right out the window, and they start to get all ticked off again that they aren't treated like queens or princesses.

Okay, now you're just channeling Al Bundy and his NO MAAM organization (the National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood)!

 

[FreshFish]

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No, no...nothing to be read from his selection of crack over, say; meth, heroine, or cocaine...totally innocent choice.

spoken from your decades of actual field experience as a DCF case worker, no doubt.

 

[burd]

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The biggest issue is that now you have female domination, and it is no longer acceptable for men to be men. The homosexual and metrosexual movement is an extension of said domination, because it designed to force a submissive mentality upon men by turning them into the feminist's perception of the man's perception of woman.

However, once you start bringing up things where females previously had an "advantage", such as chivalrous actions by males to make the woman's life easier, or even selective service, feminism goes right out the window, and they start to get all ticked off again that they aren't treated like queens or princesses.

Hear hear. All this police brutality whining is the same thing--just another attempt to take away our sticks.

 

[unofan]

spoken from your decades of actual field experience as a DCF case worker, no doubt.

Right, like you've never seen or read a single thing linking crack to minorities while cocaine is linked to White people. Nothing at all, especially not the whole sentencing disparity between the two that was national news for years for being implicitly racist...