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The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

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My thoughts:

1) What a week! Go SCOTUS!
2) The cross Bob is erecting in Arizona right now can be seen from outer space!
3) If you want a laugh check out conservative websites like Fox and National Review. Hilarious.
 
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Roberts dissents, essentially saying it should've been left to voters/legislators.

Scalia essentially says the same, but in his own prose.

Haven't gotten to Thomas or Alito yet.
 
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joecct said:
Scalia is turning out to be a prophet.
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What prophets have to say is rarely welcome no matter how true what they say is.

Just another day at the judicially activist liberal Supreme Court.
 
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Thomas apparently says liberty means solely "not imprisoned" and cites Locke and the Magna Carta
 
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Foxton said:
Conservative media is going to be the best thing ever.
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I think the smarter pundits and the more savvy outlets will try to move beyond it, very soon. This isn't like abortion where you can always erode around the edges and so there's always the temptation to re-politicize it. The only way back would be social momentum of the same force that drove the decision, and I think even conservatives know this is an irreversible change in the will of the people. I do not think, for example, that in twenty years conservative politicians will be talking about gay anything, at least not when the mics are on. There might be little mop up battles, but the war is over.
 
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Rover said:
My thoughts:

1) What a week! Go SCOTUS!
2) The cross Bob is erecting in Arizona right now can be seen from outer space!
3) If you want a laugh check out conservative websites like Fox and National Review. Hilarious.
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This has been coming for a long time, so I'm not that worked up about it. Even if this was kicked back to people to vote on, rather than be decided by judicial fiat, we all know where the tide was heading on this one, and I've said so for a long time. But I know you enjoy your schpeel about me, so have fun. ;)
 
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Thomas says comparisons between interracial and gay marriage are "inaccurate and offensive"
 
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Kepler said:
In a lower court, 5 months. In SCOTUS, 25 years.
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I agree it will take awhile. Even though the issues are virtually identical, this stuff is driven by public interest and the media and savvy PR campaigns, none of which are likely to be on board with polymory in at least the near term future.
 
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joecct said:
5 years to the first polymory case?
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More interesting question to me is how many years until the first openly gay major party nominee? I'll give that 25, too.
 
Kepler said:
I think the smarter pundits and the more savvy outlets will try to move beyond it, very soon. This isn't like abortion where you can always erode around the edges and so there's always the temptation to re-politicize it. The only way back would be social momentum of the same force that drove the decision, and I think even conservatives know this is an irreversible change in the will of the people. I do not think, for example, that in twenty years conservative politicians will be talking about gay. There might be little mop up battles, but the war is over.
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Like the majority opinion cited, I am offended, but I am not harmed. Therefore, I have no case under the 14th Amendment.
 
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Kepler said:
More interesting question to me is how many years until the first openly gay major party nominee? I'll give that 25, too.
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I'm assume you're talking about the Presidency, as it's already happened at the local/state level. I agree it'll take a little while, but I think it could happen sooner than 25 years, though of course some of it will simply depend on the quality of the available candidates are at the time, whether gay or straight. Kinda like how there could be a woman nominee anytime and could have been in the past (like if Obama hadn't been in the race in 2008), but hasn't happened yet, though Hillary seems highly likely.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I agree it will take awhile. Even though the issues are virtually identical, this stuff is driven by public interest and the media and savvy PR campaigns, none of which are likely to be on board with polymory in at least the near term future.
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"Five's Company." :)

Media coverage did help to some extent, but the issue doesn't boil down solely to that. The abolitionists used the media of their day, too, as does the pro-life lobby now. Marketing a social change does not in itself invalidate the moral value of that change.
 
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Alito also says essentially that it should've been left up to the states because the 14th doesn't require it.

Not sure why all three needed to write separately since they all say the same thing, but whatever.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I'm assume you're talking about the Presidency, as it's already happened at the local/state level. I agree it'll take a little while, but I think it could happen sooner than 25 years, though of course some of it will simply depend on the quality of the available candidates are at the time, whether gay or straight. Kinda like how there could be a woman nominee anytime and could have been in the past (like if Obama hadn't been in the race in 2008), but hasn't happened yet, though Hillary seems highly likely.
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I agree. Really, the beauty of this is that it won't matter. It will be noted in passing but it won't be celebrated as an achievement in the teeth of resistance, like JFK or Obama. Being gay will be like having had pre-marital sex. Some people will be offended, most people won't care, and very few people will base their vote on it.
 
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