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The Power of the SCOTUS Part VII - The Bedrock of the Republic!

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Kepler said:
I think it will do them greater credit. (I also had to look it up since all that meant to me was butter.) Surely those schools have had to deal with the contradiction between church orthodoxy and state law before.
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Remember the death quote of St. Thomas More:
"(I am) the king's good servant, but God's first."
 
Bob Gray said:
Only? Only? Come now. Hounding anyone who doesn't endorse what you do has nothing with being treated with equal dignity. It has already happened, but the Supreme Court's implicit endorsement will ramp up things significantly.
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The world has ended. (c) Bob
 
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Bob Gray said:
Only? Only? Come now. Hounding anyone who doesn't endorse what you do has nothing with being treated with equal dignity. It has already happened, but the Supreme Court's implicit endorsement will ramp up things significantly.
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I'm guessing the instances of conflict between gays seeking equal treatment and people denying them fall about 10,000:1 in frequency between gays being bullied and gays bullying.

Surely there were some blacks who made a show of going into a formerly white restaurant and ordering up a big ol' slice of watermelon to rub it in the owner's face. And those guys were d1cks. But the overall impact was overwhelmingly the converse.
 
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Kepler said:
I'm guessing the instances of conflict between gays seeking equal treatment and people denying them fall about 10,000:1 in frequency between gays being bullied and gays bullying.
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I'll let this go as this is another of many things where we see and understand things totally oppositely. Enjoy your victory. Just don't ask me to pretend it's something other than what it is.
 
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joecct said:
Remember the death quote of St. Thomas More:
"(I am) the king's good servant, but God's first."
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Have you seen "Wolf Hall"? Interesting portrayal of More -- fairly negative. I'd only seen the hagiographic treatments like "Man for All Seasons" before. That's just en passant -- I agree the quote does apply. Some people may choose this hill to die on and take pride in it. The world will shrug and go on with its business, but in the end we live for our values, not the world's.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I'll let this go as this is another of many things where we see and understand things totally oppositely. Enjoy your victory. Just don't ask me to pretend it's something other than what it is.
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I'm not. I sympathize with your situation -- an honest belief, not born of any malice, is being overridden by the law of the land. I think the belief is insidious, but as they say, hate the sin, love the sinner.
 
Kepler said:
I'm guessing the instances of conflict between gays seeking equal treatment and people denying them fall about 10,000:1 in frequency between gays being bullied and gays bullying.

Surely there were some blacks who made a show of going into a formerly white restaurant and ordering up a big ol' slice of watermelon to rub it in the owner's face. And those guys were d1cks. But the overall impact was overwhelmingly the converse.
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Correct. The bullies don't get to whine about being bullied now that the bullied have fought and won.
 
Kepler said:
Have you seen "Wolf Hall"? Interesting portrayal of More -- fairly negative. I'd only seen the hagiographic treatments like "Man for All Seasons" before. That's just en passant -- I agree the quote does apply. Some people may choose this hill to die on and take pride in it. The world will shrug and go on with its business, but in the end we live for our values, not the world's.
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Protestant propaganda. :)

It is going to be interesting to see how religious schools resolve this decision vs. their Magesterium.
 
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joecct said:
It is going to be interesting to see how religious schools resolve this decision vs. their Magesterium.
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Can a religious school restrict admission to members of the religion? That would punt it back to the Pope -- "This guy's gay married. Can he call himself a Catholic?"
 
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Yesterday in the Obamacare case, Scalia tells us we can't look beyond the words on the page. The text says "Exchange established by a State," so it doesn't matter what Congress intended.


Today in the gay marriage case, Scalia tells us we can't just look at the text of the 14th Amendment but have to look at the intent of those who wrote it
 
Kepler said:
Can a religious school restrict admission to members of the religion? That would punt it back to the Pope -- "This guy's gay married. Can he call himself a Catholic?"
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Of course they can. Frequently they're called "seminaries" or "yeshivas".

And in the case of a catholic in an SSM, they're in a civil marriage but not a religious one. The Church will not recognize a marriage that is purely civil.
 
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Kepler said:
I'm not. I sympathize with your situation -- an honest belief, not born of any malice, is being overridden by the law of the land. I think the belief is insidious, but as they say, hate the sin, love the sinner.
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Awwww! With that I have other things to do. Nothing here changes my approach to life which is to treat all I run across each day with respect and dignity as best I can. But I can't be dishonest and endorse something I can't. Hopefully we can all live with each other in relative peace (one can hope).
 
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bronconick said:
Yesterday in the Obamacare case, Scalia tells us we can't look beyond the words on the page. The text says "Exchange established by a State," so it doesn't matter what Congress intended.


Today in the gay marriage case, Scalia tells us we can't just look at the text of the 14th Amendment but have to look at the intent of those who wrote it
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I was thinking the same thing! Are we on board with a strict reading of the law/Constitution or aren't we? Funny how it changes from one day to the next.
 
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Scalia is the most entertaining writer on the court. I think this, from Wikipedia, is almost perfect in its description:

His writing style is best described as equal parts anger, confidence, and pageantry. Scalia has a taste for garish analogies and offbeat allusions—often very funny ones—and he speaks in no uncertain terms. He is highly accessible and tries not to get bogged down in abstruse legal jargon. But most of all, Scalia's opinions read like they're about to catch fire for pure outrage. He does not, in short, write like a happy man
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Watching FOX right now.

Scalia flipped today from yesterday. So did Roberts.

On Fox Roberts flipped. Scalia is consistent.

Whatever.
 
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