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The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

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Rover said:
Try thinking outside of Utah Kep! The people most interested in regulating other people's sex lives are the people not having sex. As in Republican conservatives! Ever watched the GOP convention? The average age of the crowd is like 85. It looks like a get together at the dog track back when greyhound racing was still legal.
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Sit Rover. Learn. Good dog.

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Some reports say there are more nightly "booty calls" in the nursing home than in college dorms.

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Rover said:
The people most interested in regulating other people's sex lives are the people not having sex.
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This has certainly been true throughout the ages, although the preachers and politicians who thump that tub are themselves doing rent boys three at a time through a popper haze.

If the social conservative grass roots had an inkling of how their spiritual and political leaders were laughing at them...
 
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Kepler said:
If the social conservative grass roots had an inkling of how their spiritual and political leaders were laughing at them...
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Their leaders probably are not laughing nearly as much as today's left-wing leaders are laughing at their followers. You really believe any politician from either party cares at all about anything other than their own aggrandizement? if so, I really pity you.

Research has demonstrated that really intelligent people are far better at fooling themselves than ordinary folk. With a regular person, s/he says, "hmm...the world is different than what I thought. I guess I better adjust my thinking." With a really intelligent person, s/he says, "hmm...the world is different than what I thought. There must be something wrong with the world."

Daniel Kahneman, in Thinking Fast and Slow, does a great job explicating this process and how it occurs.


In today's environment, no reasonable person can possibly believe that one "side" is entirely right and the other "side" is entirely wrong. To someone not emotionally nor spiritually invested in "the cause," it is abundantly clear that both sides are badly flawed. To the extent that you deny this reality, you merely demonstrate just how unreasonable you truly are.


What a waste of talent. :(
 
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joecct said:
If I was a Catholic adoption agency, I would not want to be forced to place a child with a same sex couple as they are living in a relationship that I would consider sinful.

Hiring? May be a problem. If I am a religious organization that has tenets that proscribe same sex marriage, I may not want to hire a person in a same sex marriage.
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There is a sizable slice of America that simply does not believe in freedom of religion anymore.
 
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FreshFish said:
Research has demonstrated that really intelligent people are far better at fooling themselves than ordinary folk. With a regular person, s/he says, "hmm...the world is different than what I thought. I guess I better adjust my thinking." With a really intelligent person, s/he says, "hmm...the world is different than what I thought. There must be something wrong with the world."

Daniel Kahneman, in Thinking Fast and Slow, does a great job explicating this process and how it occurs.
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There is also an equal and opposite psychological effect (whose name escapes me right now which is just another reason I think I am growing senile) which shows that the deficiencies that drag people into errors about their environment correlate highly with the deficiencies that prevent them from adjusting their thinking. In other words: dumb people don't recognize the world is different from what they believe in the first place.

In my experience, smart (or at any rate, educated) people are actually far more humble in their opinions because they are quite able to argue either side of any question. The mistake that is continually made on the right is when somebody refutes a right wing talking point the angry retort is "oh, you think you know everything." That's not it at all. The fact that somebody can call out the BS of a puerile and/or ignorant opinion has nothing to do with whether that person is confident in his own opinion's truth. He's just able to see the falsity of an ill-thought out (or internet quote pre-fabricated) opinion. That's why smart people, both left and in those unicorn cases right, tend to chop at the weak boards of their own platform just as hard as at the opposition, something you'll not see the typical hack do since for him any tool in the service of his opinion is "true."
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Some of the biggest bigots I've met are the anti-bigot bigots.
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So true. Oh so true.

Once you define the other person as a bigot, you feel license to treat them as poorly as you wish, and you're justified and all. It's a horrible blind spot to have, but all too common.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Once you define the other person as a bigot, you feel license to treat them as poorly as you wish, and you're justified and all. It's a horrible blind spot to have, but all too common.
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Jesus (well, I think it was Jesus) was right when he said "hate the sin, love the sinner." It is probably much better to say "that opinion is bigoted" rather than "that person is a bigot."

But there certainly are bigoted opinions, and being PC and saying everyone's sincerely held beliefs are somehow on an equal moral footing doesn't seem like a very good answer, with historical hindsight.

Edit: oh God, it was Augustine. 4 years of CCD down the drain. :mad:

For this reason, the man who lives by God's standards and not by man's, must needs be a lover of the good, and it follows that he must hate what is evil. Further, since no one is evil by nature, but anyone who is evil is evil because of a perversion of nature, the man who lives by God's standards has a duty of "perfect hatred" (Psalm 139:22) towards those who are evil; that is to say, he should not hate the person because of the fault, nor should he love the fault because of the person. He should hate the fault, but love the man. And when the fault has been cured there will remain only what he ought to love, nothing that he should hate.
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Those are beautiful words.
 
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joecct said:
If I was a Catholic adoption agency, I would not want to be forced to place a child with a same sex couple as they are living in a relationship that I would consider sinful.

Hiring? May be a problem. If I am a religious organization that has tenets that proscribe same sex marriage, I may not want to hire a person in a same sex marriage.
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So the same group that is typically against sex education in schools, anti contraceptive and anti choice would also now want to make it harder to place unwanted kids into a loving home?

That makes sense.
 
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Kepler said:
Jesus (well, I think it was Jesus) was right when he said "hate the sin, love the sinner." It is probably much better to say "that opinion is bigoted" rather than "that person is a bigot."

But there certainly are bigoted opinions, and being PC and saying everyone's sincerely held beliefs are somehow on an equal moral footing doesn't seem like a very good answer, with historical hindsight.

Edit: oh God, it was Augustine. 4 years of CCD down the drain. :mad:
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Agreed on Jesus. But people pull out the bigot card so quickly, that often anyone who disagrees with an opinion is a bigot. Which of course devalues when an actual, real died-in-the-wool bigot appears on the scene. Wolf is cried so often that when the actual wolf comes along, a lot of people aren't listening, as they just think it's more over the top PC rubbish.

And very good stuff by Augustine!
 
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Bob Gray said:
Agreed on Jesus. But people pull out the bigot card so quickly, that often anyone who disagrees with an opinion is a bigot. Which of course devalues when an actual, real died-in-the-wool bigot appears on the scene. Wolf is cried so often that when the actual wolf comes along, a lot of people aren't listening, as they just think it's more over the top PC rubbish.
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I believe you are right.

I also think that "died-in-the-wool," when mentioned in connection with a wolf, is the most clever play on words I have seen in a year. I see what you did there. :)
 
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ericredaxe said:
So the same group that is typically against sex education in schools, anti contraceptive and anti choice would also now want to make it harder to place unwanted kids into a loving home?

That makes sense.
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There are tons of agencies out there that are happy to work with same sex couples. The Christian agencies that would have such a concern are a small minority. Why would you try to force a Catholic agency to work with them against their will? It's not about placing kids in loving homes. It's about forcing a viewpoint on all.
 
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Here's my issue with the Supreme Court ruling on the basis of "least intrusiveness." Suppose we had a government that actually cared about a balanced budget (I know, I know, but stay with me), and so, of course, the budget was balanced. I then realize that I have a deeply held, sincere belief that aspirin are against my religion, so I sue to not have to pay for those. Based on this ruling, the government has to say, "Well, crud. We can't force him to pay for that, so we'll just have to do it ourselves." Of course, to keep the budget balanced in light of this new expense, they'll have to go and raise federal tax rates. Under what standard is it less intrusive to raise taxes on millions of people than to simply apply the law equally to all people?

Congrats, religious objectors - you just handed more power over to the federal government. Well done, well done.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yes, there is also a slice of America that doesn't agree with the eradication of religion from the U.S., you're correct.
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Talk about crying wolf. Other than Daniel Dennett, I have never met nor read a single person who advocates the eradication of religion from the US.
 
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