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The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
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Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
None of those details mattered in the ruling.
The only issue that was decided was an extremely narrow and technical one: is forcing owners of closely-held businesses to pay for something against their beliefs the least-intrusive way of accomplishing that end? and the answer was "no," there are other, less intrusive methods available.
None of those details mattered in the ruling.
The only issue that was decided was an extremely narrow and technical one: is forcing owners of closely-held businesses to pay for something against their beliefs the least-intrusive way of accomplishing that end? and the answer was "no," there are other, less intrusive methods available.
WisconsinWildcard
The plural of anecdote is not data
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So opposing something as an abortifacient that is not one does not matter? I understand this is a narrow ruling (which I am thankful for) but does it not allow a company to determine what a medication's mechanism of action is?
So opposing something as an abortifacient that is not one does not matter? I understand this is a narrow ruling (which I am thankful for) but does it not allow a company to determine what a medication's mechanism of action is?
unofan
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The court said it doesn't matter. Logically, that makes no sense because they're essentially saying if religion x believes 1+1=3 because a whole is greater than the sum of its parts, the court will not question the validity of the belief, only whether it is sincerely held. But that's what they did.
ScoobyDoo
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Absolutley it does. ANY Contraception that they deem against their religion they can opt of paying for. Doesn't matter what it is.
Absolutley it does. ANY Contraception that they deem against their religion they can opt of paying for. Doesn't matter what it is.
WisconsinWildcard
The plural of anecdote is not data
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
Interesting. Sad, but interesting. I do not read enough about law to understand the scope and limitations in a case like this.
I was trying to argue more on Hobby Lobby's turf since I have seen it thrown around a lot that they still cover "16 out of the 20" contraceptive measures mandated by the ACA, therefore they do not oppose contraception. They opposed the ones that they deemed were abortifacients (2 types of plan B essentially and 2 IUDs), even though that is completely inconsistent.
Interesting. Sad, but interesting. I do not read enough about law to understand the scope and limitations in a case like this.
I was trying to argue more on Hobby Lobby's turf since I have seen it thrown around a lot that they still cover "16 out of the 20" contraceptive measures mandated by the ACA, therefore they do not oppose contraception. They opposed the ones that they deemed were abortifacients (2 types of plan B essentially and 2 IUDs), even though that is completely inconsistent.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
They bragged about the coverage that they did approve so they could get some love in the media. They (like most conservatives) have no basis in science for anything that they decide.
They bragged about the coverage that they did approve so they could get some love in the media. They (like most conservatives) have no basis in science for anything that they decide.
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My religion says Viagra is an abortifacient. So are xrays, CT scans and MRIs. In fact, all of medicine is just a cover for abortion. Therefore I don't have to provide any health coverage at all.
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
Your concern about off label use other agents being denied is a valid one. The fact that the court fails to distinguish between contrceptives and abortifacients shows the lack of understand of the science involved.
I think you mean "fertilization" here. Otherwise you are correct. The previous held belief that IUDs inhibit implantation has not been totally disproven but seems to be the least likely mechanism of action.
Your concern about off label use other agents being denied is a valid one. The fact that the court fails to distinguish between contrceptives and abortifacients shows the lack of understand of the science involved.
WisconsinWildcard
The plural of anecdote is not data
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
You are correct, thanks! Get all caught up on terms and then I misuse one
You are correct, thanks! Get all caught up on terms and then I misuse one
WisconsinWildcard
The plural of anecdote is not data
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2/4 is not too bad
They are just not very effective
2/4 is not too bad
They are just not very effective
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
How these Supreme Court justices think and vote is very personal and most often a function of where they grew up. Harry Blackmun, who authored Roe v. Wade, grew up in the twin cites and served as general counsel for Mayo Clinic for a time. You see that many little baby Minnesotans and there's no way you oppose abortion.
How these Supreme Court justices think and vote is very personal and most often a function of where they grew up. Harry Blackmun, who authored Roe v. Wade, grew up in the twin cites and served as general counsel for Mayo Clinic for a time. You see that many little baby Minnesotans and there's no way you oppose abortion.
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
As a public service, let me provide a "progressive" translator for use in understanding the hysterical reaction to the Hobby Lobby decision.
Women's reproductive rights = free birth control
Access to birth control = free birth control
Women's health care = free birth control
Religious objections = free birth control
Age appropriate sex ed = free birth control
High school health clinics = free birth control
As a public service, let me provide a "progressive" translator for use in understanding the hysterical reaction to the Hobby Lobby decision.
Women's reproductive rights = free birth control
Access to birth control = free birth control
Women's health care = free birth control
Religious objections = free birth control
Age appropriate sex ed = free birth control
High school health clinics = free birth control
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
Don't forget the free Viagra you're getting.
Don't forget the free Viagra you're getting.
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
And you would know best how effective it is.
And you would know best how effective it is.
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I doubt the nurses at the home let him take that.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier
Please run on this. Make it the centerpiece of your campaign. Maybe women secretly want you to mansplain to them what they really need.
Please run on this. Make it the centerpiece of your campaign. Maybe women secretly want you to mansplain to them what they really need.
ScoobyDoo
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Just heard that a company wants to fire someone who's gay because its a religous exception to the law.
The floodgates are opening.
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Free birth control.
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