The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

[Kepler]

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It's been going on for a long time on both sides. Don't pretend the Dems and their nonsense about protecting Social Security against the boogeyman and all, which has been around for decades, is only in response to the bad guy GOP.

The posturing does indeed go back a long way. A long, long way. A long, long, long way.

The Social Security third rail is a bad argument for you, though, since Paul Ryan eventually showed up and proved there was a boogeyman. But yes, each side has their anti-vax screeds where you know the guy making the "principled stand" is either lying or brain dead.

 

[Rover]

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I wasn't trolling, just being logical. The only reason to have sex is to produce children. He doesn't have lots of kids, so it must follow that he isn't having sex. Why is it OK to discuss women's sexual activity but not Bob's?

This is not specific to any poster, but asking questions like this is what's killing social conservatism in politics. Abortion is a good example and so is contraception. For you young 'uns out there, it used to be that Republicans could rail against abortion but as long as their stance stayed somewhat vague on the details they basically had a free issue in their favor. Now that's no longer possible, and you start getting Todd Akins and Richard Murdochs. Or you get people who don't think contraception should be legal. Saying "I stand for family values" is a good sound bite, but once you get asked about specifics it all falls apart. Moderate and the hard righties come after you. Go hard right and you look like a Neanderthal to 70% of the country.

This isn't due to some brilliant left/Democratic strategy mind you, but more of how omnipresent media coverage is now that the lamestream media is no longer the only game in town. But for me, I think its a good thing when somebody says contraception should be up to your boss because God is against it, but then they worship a politican (Bush II) who's been married for decades but only has two kids who happen to be twins. Either he's been practicing the very think they're against or he's been taking a lot of cold showers.

 

[ericredaxe]

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I'm not "legal savvy" enough... but i wonder if a woman will in turn bring a suit claiming they have been perscribed the pill for reasons other than contraception... and how would that go?

 

[Bob Gray]

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The posturing does indeed go back a long way.

The Social Security third rail is a bad argument for you, though, since Paul Ryan eventually showed up and proved there was a boogeyman. But yes, each side has their anti-vax screeds where you know the guy making the "principled stand" is either lying or brain dead.

So some candidate in the 70s or 80s moaning about he GOP supposedly gutting Social Security is justified by a current GOP rep putting out a plan to do some reforms? And a plan that everyone knew was going nowhere? That's a ridiculous argument, but, such is the nonsense people put out there to justify what they or those they support do in the political arena.

 

[Kepler]

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I'm not "legal savvy" enough... but i wonder if a woman will in turn bring a suit claiming they have been perscribed the pill for reasons other than contraception... and how would that go?

Shouldn't matter. The ruling says I have rights of religious conscience that I can exercise through my closely-held, for-profit corporation. If I claim my faith says I can hold my breath over The Pill, that's that. My employee can have any reason for needing it; they can go suck it.

I am hopeful that right now, some nice Muslim-owned family business is preparing to hoist these guys by their own petard so high we won't even be able to see their butts through the clouds.

 

[Bob Gray]

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This is not specific to any poster, but asking questions like this is what's killing social conservatism in politics. Abortion is a good example and so is contraception. For you young 'uns out there, it used to be that Republicans could rail against abortion but as long as their stance stayed somewhat vague on the details they basically had a free issue in their favor. Now that's no longer possible, and you start getting Todd Akins and Richard Murdochs. Or you get people who don't think contraception should be legal. Saying "I stand for family values" is a good sound bite, but once you get asked about specifics it all falls apart. Moderate and the hard righties come after you. Go hard right and you look like a Neanderthal to 70% of the country.

This isn't due to some brilliant left/Democratic strategy mind you, but more of how omnipresent media coverage is now that the lamestream media is no longer the only game in town. But for me, I think its a good thing when somebody says contraception should be up to your boss because God is against it, but then they worship a politican (Bush II) who's been married for decades but only has two kids who happen to be twins. Either he's been practicing the very think they're against or he's been taking a lot of cold showers.

When will a liberal admit that your boss isn't making any decision for you? The misinformation campaign on this is reaching epic proportions. But, some of the sheeple will I'm sure fall for it.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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When will a liberal admit that your boss isn't making any decision for you? The misinformation campaign on this is reaching epic proportions. But, some of the sheeple will I'm sure fall for it.

Oh, yes they are. They decide what health insurance I do or do not receive. It's not a directed decision. It's an economic one that leaves me with little choice.

 

[St. Clown]

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So, after googling, I guess you're referring to some Ron Burgundy guy. I've heard of him, but can't say I know much about him or some quote he made somewhere. Hardly an obvious reference, if a person realizes that not everyone watches all the same TV, movies, etc. as they do. But, tunnel vision seems epidemic these days.

Bob, Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy is a movie that earned roughly $500MM at the box offices in 2004, according to IMDB.com. The whole "Stay Classy, San Diego" line was the character's sign-off phrase for closing the news reports, which ends up becoming a big joke within the movie. It's hardly an obscure reference.

 

[Kepler]

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I like where Bob is heading though.

1) Hobby Lobby can tailor its health care package according to its owners' religious whims.

2) Hobby Lobby employees have a right to health care but can't force their employer to include it.

3) Hence, a Single Payer fallback is required to protect Hobby Lobby's sacred religious rights.

Are you there, God? It's me, Universal Nationalized Health Care.

 

[Rover]

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I'm not "legal savvy" enough... but i wonder if a woman will in turn bring a suit claiming they have been perscribed the pill for reasons other than contraception... and how would that go?

I'm waiting for a woman to sue their employer over covering Viagra but not birth control.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Oh, yes they are. They decide what health insurance I do or do not receive. It's not a directed decision. It's an economic one that leaves me with little choice.

Nonsense. People can still go get whatever contraception they want. Your whole argument is simply a lie. It's shameful way to try to argue that a business should be forced by government to do certain things.

 

[Rover]

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It's shameful way to try to argue that a business should be forced by government to do certain things.

Like serve blacks?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Nonsense. People can still go get whatever contraception they want. Your whole argument is simply a lie. It's shameful way to try to argue that a business should be forced by government to do certain things.

Wow. I'm not even a corporation (yet) and I'm forced to do things all THE FREAKING TIME!!!

 

[Bob Gray]

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Bob, Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy is a movie that earned roughly $500MM at the box offices in 2004, according to IMDB.com. The whole "Stay Classy, San Diego" line was the character's sign-off phrase for closing the news reports, which ends up becoming a big joke within the movie. It's hardly an obscure reference.

Sorry I don't have my 2004 movie quotes and references down pat. I'm sure Obama will use an executive order on that subject soon also.

 

[SJHovey]

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Oh, yes they are. They decide what health insurance I do or do not receive. It's not a directed decision. It's an economic one that leaves me with little choice.

I think the Department of Health and Human Services actually decided what would, or would not, be part of a minimum level of coverage. This was just a couple of employers whining about paying for a portion of it, and they prevailed. Of course, nothing prevents any of us from procuring health insurance on our own, outside of our work place. Then it's just a matter of contract between us and the insurer.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Like serve blacks?

Which is not something anyone has said here. Nice try at a rabbit trail.

So, the answer is, no, no liberal will apparently acknowledge that the Hobby Lobby case is only about whether to force a business to provide certain things to its employees, not whether employees have access to such things, which they can go out and freely get. Or maybe people just don't grasp that there are things like drug stores and pharmacies around? Holy Toledo!

 

[Bob Gray]

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I think the Department of Health and Human Services actually decided what would, or would not, be part of a minimum level of coverage. This was just a couple of employers whining about paying for a portion of it, and they prevailed. Of course, nothing prevents any of us from procuring health insurance on our own, outside of our work place. Then it's just a matter of contract between us and the insurer.

Stop providing rational explanations around here.

 

[SJHovey]

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I like where Bob is heading though.

1) Hobby Lobby can tailor its health care package according to its owners' religious whims.

2) Hobby Lobby employees have a right to health care but can't force their employer to include it.

3) Hence, a Single Payer fallback is required to protect Hobby Lobby's sacred religious rights.

Are you there, God? It's me, Universal Nationalized Health Care.

That's exactly where it should head.

Congress and the President want to decree that we all must have health coverage of a certain level? Fine. Here's the bill. Now, pass the tax increase to pay for it.

 

[LynahFan]

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I like where Bob is heading though.

1) Hobby Lobby can tailor its health care package according to its owners' religious whims.

2) Hobby Lobby employees have a right to health care but can't force their employer to include it.

3) Hence, a Single Payer fallback is required to protect Hobby Lobby's sacred religious rights.

Are you there, God? It's me, Universal Nationalized Health Care.

You left out:

4) Bob's head asplodes.

 

[unofan]

Which is not something anyone has said here. Nice try at a rabbit trail.

So, the answer is, no, no liberal will apparently acknowledge that the Hobby Lobby case is only about whether to force a business to provide certain things to its employees, not whether employees have access to such things, which they can go out and freely get. Or maybe people just don't grasp that there are things like drug stores and pharmacies around? Holy Toledo!

I hope you're turning down your Medicare from that cross of yours. I'd hate to think you're benefiting from others being forced to provide your socialized healthcare.