The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

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Which is not something anyone has said here. Nice try at a rabbit trail.

So, the answer is, no, no liberal will apparently acknowledge that the Hobby Lobby case is only about whether to force a business to provide certain things to its employees, not whether employees have access to such things, which they can go out and freely get.

Freely? You mean it doesn't cost anything? Why didn't you say so in the first place?? Where do people sign up for this free medical care?

 

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I hope you're turning down your Medicare from that cross of yours. I'd hate to think you're benefiting from others being forced to provide your socialized healthcare.

And Social Security.

 

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Which is not something anyone has said here. Nice try at a rabbit trail.

So, the answer is, no, no liberal will apparently acknowledge that the Hobby Lobby case is only about whether to force a business to provide certain things to its employees, not whether employees have access to such things, which they can go out and freely get. Or maybe people just don't grasp that there are things like drug stores and pharmacies around? Holy Toledo!

Bob I don't have a dog in this fight. However, you've been taking crazy pills if you don't think this minor decision is going to kill you guys at the ballot box. If elections were decided in Texas and Oklahoma, you'd be all set. Unfortunately they're not, and a strong majority of people disagree with Hobby Lobby and their position. This is fine by me, as a relatively small decision could hasten what the country desperately needs, which is the complete destruction of knuckledragger conservatism. However, both The Boner and Rand Paul are out tweeting congratulations on this, which makes we wonder if there are any political strategists on the right with half a brain.

 

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No matter your political bent, you'll enjoy this. Check the timeline of SCOTUSblog's twitter feed and see how they deal with people who think SCOTUSblog = SCOTUS

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I hope you're turning down your Medicare from that cross of yours. I'd hate to think you're benefiting from others being forced to provide your socialized healthcare.

I hope so too.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Oh, yes they are. They decide what health insurance I do or do not receive. It's not a directed decision. It's an economic one that leaves me with little choice.

You still have the choice to find an employer or employment that meets your needs (economic, insurance), don't you?

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I'm waiting for a woman to sue their employer over covering Viagra but not birth control.

I've actually lost a "cold beverage" on that bet.
I expected the first case to be filed before 2014 (and lost).

But, would she have to sue the employer or Mr. Obama (because it's not mandated under Obamacare).

 

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You still have the choice to find an employer or employment that meets your needs (economic, insurance), don't you?

Absolutely. Just look at all the Help Wanted ads in the newspaper every Sunday.

 

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I've actually lost a "cold beverage" on that bet.
I expected the first case to be filed before 2014 (and lost).

But, would she have to sue the employer or Mr. Obama (because it's not mandated under Obamacare).

You'd have to sue an employer that doesn't offer certain types of birth control based on religious reasons but does cover Viagra or the one with the people in the bathtubs...

 

[SJHovey]

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I hope you're turning down your Medicare from that cross of yours. I'd hate to think you're benefiting from others being forced to provide your socialized healthcare.

And Social Security.

I hope so too.

I actually expected more out of the three of you.

People on the right rail against social welfare. People on the left rail against corporate welfare. But only a fool refuses to play by the rules in place. Are we to believe the Kennedys, Rockefellers and other wealthy Democrats don't have skyscrapers full of lawyers and CPAs looking for ways to take advantage of every single tax break available?

Silly comments, even for purposes of trolling, detract from legitimate arguments.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Absolutely. Just look at all the Help Wanted ads in the newspaper every Sunday.

Uh, I assume you're being facetious; however, I live in North Dakota: the "help wanted" ads here are the largest section of the newspaper.

 

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I actually expected more out of the three of you.

People on the right rail against social welfare. People on the left rail against corporate welfare. But only a fool refuses to play by the rules in place. Are we to believe the Kennedys, Rockefellers and other wealthy Democrats don't have skyscrapers full of lawyers and CPAs looking for ways to take advantage of every single tax break available?

Silly comments, even for purposes of trolling, detract from legitimate arguments.

Few Democrats out of the total take advantage of corporate welfare. Most Republicans out of the total take advantage of social welfare. Again, your CNN-like false equivalency doesn't apply here.

 

[SJHovey]

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Few Democrats out of the total take advantage of corporate welfare. Most Republicans out of the total take advantage of social welfare. Again, your CNN-like false equivalency doesn't apply here.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Kepler]

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But only a fool refuses to play by the rules in place.

Yeah, those white freedom riders were "fools."

You are talking total bullshit. If you are principled enough to grab a soap box and bleat about how such-and-such a federal program is OH NOES SO TERRIBLE FOR THE MORAL FIBER OF AMERICA'S BACKBONE, then live by your own edicts and opt out of benefiting from that program. Show some moral courage.

Not everybody calibrates their actions to their highest expected monetary value. Whether on the left or the right, many people are better than that. Just because you aren't, don't try to drag the rest of the world down to your insect's-eye view of the ethical world.

 

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Ignorance is bliss.

I'll take your non-answer as an indication that you have no response.

 

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I actually expected more out of the three of you.

People on the right rail against social welfare. People on the left rail against corporate welfare. But only a fool refuses to play by the rules in place. Are we to believe the Kennedys, Rockefellers and other wealthy Democrats don't have skyscrapers full of lawyers and CPAs looking for ways to take advantage of every single tax break available?

Silly comments, even for purposes of trolling, detract from legitimate arguments.

You expect me to pay out of pocket for my health care when my employer chosen option is cheaper yet you chastise me for pointing out your hypocrisy in accepting Medicare? ROTFLMAO.

 

[SJHovey]

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I'll take your non-answer as an indication that you have no response.

My response is that your view, and apparently Kepler's, is BS. But go ahead, you want to keep believing that guys like David Geffen or 80% of Hollywood, the Clintons, and others don't take advantage of every tax loophole out there, be my guest.

 

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My response is that your view, and apparently Kepler's, is BS. But go ahead, you want to keep believing that guys like David Geffen or 80% of Hollywood, the Clintons, and others don't take advantage of every tax loophole out there, be my guest.

You seem to be struggling with the concept of "most". So, let me help you. "Most" Democrats aren't in Geffen or Clinton's income bracket. Therefore, "most" Democrats aren't benefiting from corporate welfare. With me so far? Good.

"Most" as in a majority of, Republicans are collecting social welfare (SoS, Medicare/Medicaid, unemployment, etc).

That means Dems against corp welfare aren't benefiting from it for the most part, while Repubs whining about social welfare are the same people with both hands out. That's why red states get more federal dollars than they pay in, while Dem states donate more than they get back. Now do you get it?

 

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I actually expected more out of the three of you.

People on the right rail against social welfare. People on the left rail against corporate welfare. But only a fool refuses to play by the rules in place. Are we to believe the Kennedys, Rockefellers and other wealthy Democrats don't have skyscrapers full of lawyers and CPAs looking for ways to take advantage of every single tax break available?

Silly comments, even for purposes of trolling, detract from legitimate arguments.

My point was to use Medicare to show him the absurdity of his logic. He says businesses shouldn't be "forced" to pay for another person's medical care. Conveniently ignoring we are all forced to do many things we otherwise wouldn't want to do.

I wasn't seriously saying he should forego Medicare.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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My point was to use Medicare to show him the absurdity of his logic. He says businesses shouldn't be "forced" to pay for another person's medical care. Conveniently ignoring we are all forced to do many things we otherwise wouldn't want to do.

I wasn't seriously saying he should forego Medicare.

I was.