The official "My team got screwed" thread of the 2011 NCAA Tournament

[DisplacedCornellian]

Re: The official "My team got screwed" thread of the 2011 NCAA Tournament

Colgate got screwed. Sure, they finished 12th in the ECAC, but they took out RPI and Union in the ECAC playoffs, and both of THOSE teams made the dance. IZ NOT FAAIAR!

 

[chickod]

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I think they should just let everybody in. If the Big East can put ELEVEN teams in the BB tournament, hockey can put ALL (what is it, 58) of their teams in. We can have a big SUPER tournament with eight regionals and the Frozen Four in June.

 

[gscott13]

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If you add a human element, then what's the point of the Bracketology posts? Also, there are fans on here that are highly accomplished mathematicians / computer scientists and would like to demonstrate their capabilities!

curious as to what the bracketology would have looked like had they not tweaked the TUC definition this season to include all rpis over .500

get on it, highly accomplished mathletes!

 

[Priceless]

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curious as to what the bracketology would have looked like had they not tweaked the TUC definition this season to include all rpis over .500

get on it, highly accomplished mathletes!

Already posted it in the bracketology thread

 

[unofan]

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to me the whole beauty is that there is ZERO human element to qualifying for the tournament. Could the formula be tweaked or changed, sure, but asking people to make a subjective choice is not something I'd like.

My beef with the system generally arises because of hockey's overly insular schedules: the numbers can be skewed by sheer conference strength such that the worst team in the best conference might appear to be better than the best team in a worse conference. I'm thinking back about 10 years or so where the WCHA would've put 7-8 teams into the tournament, including a sub-.500 team, if the NCAA didn't have a rule about requiring teams to be better than .500 to qualify. That year I think KRACH was even more skewed and would've sent 2 sub-.500 WCHA teams into the tourny.

So long as roughly 80% of the games are played intra-conference (including tournament games), such issues will arise under any mathematical system.

But then I've said for years I generally prefer the smoke-filled room using objective tools over the completely objective process where statistical oddities cannot be overriden by human brains. For all the *****ing and moaning about basketball's selection process, it generally gets it right.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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But then I've said for years I generally prefer the smoke-filled room using objective tools over the completely objective process where statistical oddities cannot be overriden by human brains. For all the *****ing and moaning about basketball's selection process, it generally gets it right.

This is a poor example. The last 10 teams invited have nearly zero chance of winning the tournament, so even if they get some of them wrong, you really haven't wronged the teams contending for a title.

No one will argue the 65th best team should of been in because it was a legitimate title contender. Getting in is more about prestige and money.

 

[NMU8405]

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No one will argue the 65th best team should of been in because it was a legitimate title contender. Getting in is more about prestige and money.

I wont argue that because there are not 65 teams in college hockey

 

[FreshFish]

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And what's even more sad is if BU had defeated RPI in December, they'd be a 3 seed right now and RPI and Dartmouth would both be out.

As I recall, BU did do their best to win the boxing match that night. How many penalty minutes assessed against BU during the last three minutes of that game?

 

[unofan]

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This is a poor example. The last 10 teams invited have nearly zero chance of winning the tournament, so even if they get some of them wrong, you really haven't wronged the teams contending for a title.

No one will argue the 65th best team should of been in because it was a legitimate title contender. Getting in is more about prestige and money.

Except the committee isn't choosing the 68 best teams, they're choosing the best 37 teams (or whatever, I forget how many autobids there are). In any case, based upon seeding, the committee's choices generally wind up in the top 50, since the last at-large bids are usually seeded 12th. Hockey's last at-large bid is usually 14th or 15th out of 16 teams.

50 out of ~350 is a higher percentile than 15 out of ~60. The hockey committee is taking the top quarter of the sport, basketball is choosing the top 15% or so, give or take.

No offense, but the 4th seeded teams in hockey aren't exactly heavy favorites to win the national title, either.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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As I recall, BU did do their best to win the boxing match that night. How many penalty minutes assessed against BU during the last three minutes of that game?

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/1011/boxes/mbu_ren1.d11

Those last few minutes were just plain entertaining!

 

[FreshFish]

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http://www.collegehockeystats.net/1011/boxes/mbu_ren1.d11

Those last few minutes were just plain entertaining!

A game misconduct with 0:00:16 left? and another game misconduct with 0:00:00 left?

Wow, I knew that BU had totally lost it; did not realize that they really totally lost it by that much.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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A game misconduct with 0:00:16 left? and another game misconduct with 0:00:00 left?

Wow, I knew that BU had totally lost it; did not realize that they really totally lost it by that much.

The last misconduct was because Jack Parker forgot about the reputation of ECAC refs for a second time.

As for the rest of them... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXFTSHtg46w

 

[JF_Gophers]

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No offense, but the 4th seeded teams in hockey aren't exactly heavy favorites to win the national title, either.

This would be proving the point that the system doesn't need to change, since those seeds in the scheme of finding a national champion do not matter. They are simply happy to be there.

 

[unofan]

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This would be proving the point that the system doesn't need to change, since those seeds in the scheme of finding a national champion do not matter. They are simply happy to be there.

So because the ends don't matter to the same degree, the means are acceptable? Seriously?

You might be fine with a mathematically objective formula that would admit an 8th place team that is sub .500 simply because the conference as a whole did remarkably well in non-conference action, but I'm not. (and yes I know there are rules in place to override the formula in such cases). But whatever. I don't find the smoke filled room that bad - humans have brains and can make informed judgements too. It may not be objective, but it also isn't inherently wrong, either.

 

[bronconick]

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But then I've said for years I generally prefer the smoke-filled room using objective tools over the completely objective process where statistical oddities cannot be overriden by human brains. For all the *****ing and moaning about basketball's selection process, it generally gets it right.

Fark that. If the Big Ten is going to start throwing their weight around in hockey now, I'll fight to the death to keep an objective system for selecting teams. If they're going to ram 4 or 5 of 6 teams in, let them earn it on the ice in non-conference play like the WCHA did when they got 6 teams in, instead of some backroom group of idiots.