The official "My team got screwed" thread for the 2010 NCAA Tunament (attn newbies)

[kdaddy]

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I better shut the hell up then.

But my team did what it needed to do.

Barely according to Melrose

 

[Greyeagle]

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Barely according to Melrose

Wrong thread.

 

[UMLfan44]

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This is not a '' my team got screwed '' reply(that was last year) but it is about a lousy Vermont team, that finished 8th in the hockey east and somehow was ranked 14th(because of the bs OOC record) and even worse was chosen over a much more deserving Ferris State(ranked 8th), they certainly got SCREWED.

So 2 years in a row UV has gotten in the dance undeservedly so.

This ranking system s-u-c-k-s and conference games SHOULD MEAN MORE than OOC games, the rule makers have it backwards.

Or maybe UV has just bought the rights to be included in the best 16 teams which they are clearly not even close!

Nothing against UV or their fans, i am just pointing out the injustice to the rest of the more deserving teams.

 

[Sar'nt]

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This ranking system s-u-c-k-s and conference games SHOULD MEAN MORE than OOC games, the rule makers have it backwards.

I'd love to see the logic on this one.

A cross-section of games against opponents from varying conferences is going to be much more indicative of a team's skill as opposed to a cross-section of games against a set of insular opponents.

 

[thecomicbookguy]

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Re: The official "My team got screwed" thread for the 2010 NCAA Tunament (attn newbies)

This is not a '' my team got screwed '' reply(that was last year) but it is about a lousy Vermont team, that finished 8th in the hockey east and somehow was ranked 14th(because of the bs OOC record) and even worse was chosen over a much more deserving Ferris State(ranked 8th), they certainly got SCREWED.

So 2 years in a row UV has gotten in the dance undeservedly so.

This ranking system s-u-c-k-s and conference games SHOULD MEAN MORE than OOC games, the rule makers have it backwards.

Or maybe UV has just bought the rights to be included in the best 16 teams which they are clearly not even close!

Nothing against UV or their fans, i am just pointing out the injustice to the rest of the more deserving teams.

Where is Ferris ranked 8th?

Anyway, maybe Ferris should have played better OOC teams than Canisius, Robert Morris, and UConn.

Beating NMU in the CCHA tourney (or Miami in the consolation game) might have helped, too.

UVM is deserving based on their OOC record (which includes the wins over UNH in the quarterfinals).

The system has some flaws, true (I believe it was two years ago when losing/tying the CCHA consolation game was better for Notre Dame than if they'd actually won), but to say a team's OOC record is bs is just ludicrous.

 

[tdzro]

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Simple math.

I am a U Michigan fan, so I am impartial to the argument, but how did FSU lose out to Alaska despite finishing higher than Alaska in:

1) CCHA Conference Standings
2) RPI
3) KRACH
4) CCHA Tournament

The math formula must be hosed up if Alaska is in despite being behind FSU in all of these categories. Granted, FSU could have won to get themselves in, but what did Alaska do the last weekend to beat our FSU? Nothing and FSU was still ahead. There is something wrong with the formula IMO. Another instance:

Before Friday UM was 16th, MSU was 17th PW.
Friday night UM knocked off the #2 ranked Miami squad.
The PW after that night's games had UM behind MSU. Just bizarre IMO.

 

[MaizeRage]

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The system has some flaws, true (I believe it was two years ago when losing/tying the CCHA consolation game was better for Notre Dame than if they'd actually won), but to say a team's OOC record is bs is just ludicrous.

Technically it was that Notre Dame had to either win or lose the consolation game to make the NCAA tournament. Only a tie would have knocked them out of the tournament. Trying to follow the logic of why a loss would have gotten them in is absolutely hilarious. There's your system that picked these teams.

Notre Dame ended up losing 2-1, but hit a goalpost with about 90 seconds left on a potential game-tying goal. I've always wondered what would have happened if they had tied it up.

 

[midge843]

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Re: The official "My team got screwed" thread for the 2010 NCAA Tunament (attn newbie

This is not a '' my team got screwed '' reply(that was last year) but it is about a lousy Vermont team, that finished 8th in the hockey east and somehow was ranked 14th(because of the bs OOC record) and even worse was chosen over a much more deserving Ferris State(ranked 8th), they certainly got SCREWED.

So 2 years in a row UV has gotten in the dance undeservedly so.

This ranking system s-u-c-k-s and conference games SHOULD MEAN MORE than OOC games, the rule makers have it backwards.

Or maybe UV has just bought the rights to be included in the best 16 teams which they are clearly not even close!

Nothing against UV or their fans, i am just pointing out the injustice to the rest of the more deserving teams.

Such a bitter UML fan....never see any of those But seriously, just because your team hasnt lived up to expectations the past few years isn't an excuse to ***** about another team's success. UVM deserved to get in the past two years, and this year more notably due to their OOC record of 6-1

 

[tdzro]

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The Badgers didn't get screwed, so I'm going to have to adopt UND as my "got screwed" school for the week.

It's hard to think that UND's reward for winning the WCHA title is to have to fly out east and get stuck in BC's bracket on BC's turf, while the team they beat gets to play in St. Paul in front of a home town crowd. I know simple math was the real culprit in this deal, but still..... If UND loses yesterday maybe they play in front of their fans in St. Paul and One and Done U gets sent east (disclaimer: I have not run the math to see what the PWR results would have been for that scenario).

On second thought, maybe UND should feel lucky to be in at all. As Melrose said, if they didn't win yesterday they wouldn't have gotten in.

I have never seen a single fan score a goal for the home team, so it really isn't a disadvantage if you don't have as many fans present...

Seriously, UND did get hosed slightly, but anyone can beat anyone at tourney time, so ya just get to deal with it, play your games, win your game, move on. Nothing we can do about it. I am a UM fan and everyone says that we got an advantage, but being seeded with the #1 overall who we just beat (tough to beat the same team back to back) really might not be that advantageous. No complaints, go beat who you were assigned to beat, if not, season over. Just happy to be here after the season we had...

 

[thecomicbookguy]

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BTW, for that Lowell fan's argument that conference games should be worth more than OOC games, the fact that UNH was 11th in the PWR at the end of the tournaments should be proof that the conference games mean plenty - they won just two OOC games this year!

Technically it was that Notre Dame had to either win or lose the consolation game to make the NCAA tournament. Only a tie would have knocked them out of the tournament. Trying to follow the logic of why a loss would have gotten them in is absolutely hilarious. There's your system that picked these teams.

Notre Dame ended up losing 2-1, but hit a goalpost with about 90 seconds left on a potential game-tying goal. I've always wondered what would have happened if they had tied it up.

Thanks, I knew it was something screwy like that. The fact that the system leaves a coach in that situation - down by a goal late in a game, and faced with either telling his team to go for it, or pulling them back in fear of a tie that would eliminate them, knowing a loss would probably get them in - proves that there are flaws. It is certainly better than the "smoke-filled room", and really, any system is going to leave someone unhappy.

Fact is, this system is impartial, not allowing the committee to look at a team's recent results (oh, "Last 16", how we miss you! ...sort of), and argue they should be in over a team that faltered down the stretch. It takes a team's entire body of work into account, not just the past few weeks.

 

[UnionHockeyManiac]

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Re: The official "My team got screwed" thread for the 2010 NCAA Tunament (attn newbies)

I wish Union had gotten in.

 

[leswp1]

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Re: The official "My team got screwed" thread for the 2010 NCAA Tunament (attn newbies)

Where is Bob Norton when you need him.

Duh- UNH isn't there so he doesn't care.

Does it count if my team screwed itself?

 

[jcarter7669]

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Re: The official "My team got screwed" thread for the 2010 NCAA Tunament (attn newbies)

This is not a '' my team got screwed '' reply(that was last year) but it is about a lousy Vermont team, that finished 8th in the hockey east and somehow was ranked 14th(because of the bs OOC record) and even worse was chosen over a much more deserving Ferris State(ranked 8th), they certainly got SCREWED.

So 2 years in a row UV has gotten in the dance undeservedly so.

Good grief, UML should make all their students by stock in Kleenex so that at least they can't get something for all the crying they do.



I wonder which UML fan that's an alias for? One post, just to come on this thread and beetch about UVM...........
2 years UVM got in undeservedly? So last year with their 22-12-5 record they didn't deserve to get in either???

This year with wins over the top teams in the country and going 6-1 in OOC they didn't deserve to get in either? But this isn't a "my team got screwed reply?"

 

[Jon]

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I wish Union had gotten in.

And St, Clooud did? Fraud, I say!

Hokydad feels PC got screwed. They tied NU!!!

 

[streaker]

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It is beyond me how anyone thinks Bemidji is an undeserving team. They are there because they earned it.

Yes.

As Far as Alabama Huntsville, didn't they make it in the same way that Michigan made it, Having some hot games and winning their tournaments?

Yes. But they didn't beat the #14, #1 and #9 teams to do it.

I also heard that Taco Bell has shrimp tacos now, too. Better than nachos?

 

[Hammer]

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The phrases "Taco Bell" and "shrimp tacos" should not be in the same sentence.

 

[RENCEB]

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Give me a break.

Well played!

 

[Driftryder]

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Re: The official "My team got screwed" thread for the 2010 NCAA Tunament (attn newbies)

The phrases "Taco Bell" and "shrimp tacos" should not be in the same sentence.

..... without pepto bismol being in that same sentence.

 

[kingdobbs]

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This ranking system s-u-c-k-s and conference games SHOULD MEAN MORE than OOC games, the rule makers have it backwards.

Yes, I agree.

We should rate conference games more highly. In fact, we should make conference games the only factor that matter for tournament play. If you can't get it done in your own little circle of friends, you shouldn't be in the tournament.

Yeah, let's rank every team by their in-conference winning percentage, and barring tournament autobids...

1 Miami
2 RIT
3 Bemidji
4 Denver
5 Yale
6 Cornell
7 New Hampshire
8 Wisconsin
9 Boston College
10 Union
11 Sacred Heart
12 St. Cloud
13 Air Force
AB North Dakota
AB Michigan
AB UAH

I like this field. Full of those who are truly worthy, and got it done in their in-season play.

Of course, Colgate and Minnesota-Duluth can complain that they got forced out by the fluke autobids of Michigan and Huntsville, but naturally, nobody's listening.

 

[kingdobbs]

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I am a U Michigan fan, so I am impartial to the argument, but how did FSU lose out to Alaska despite finishing higher than Alaska in:

1) CCHA Conference Standings
2) RPI
3) KRACH
4) CCHA Tournament

The math formula must be hosed up if Alaska is in despite being behind FSU in all of these categories. Granted, FSU could have won to get themselves in, but what did Alaska do the last weekend to beat our FSU? Nothing and FSU was still ahead. There is something wrong with the formula IMO.

Ferris State even beat Alaska in their pairwise comparison.

However, here's where they lost out to Alaska: They had a bad record against teams under consideration. They went 6-10-3 against Miami, Alaska, Northern Michigan, Yale, Nebraska-Omaha, Michigan State and Michigan.

This lost them two comparisons with teams lower than them in the final standings.

The advantages of a fully transparent system include that a team bemoaning its fate can see exactly what it failed to do in order to get a tournament bid.