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The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

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As others have said, it's a tough call to speculate on how the league will shakeout (although I must admit it is interesting), The CCHA teams will be used to lower scoring, grind it out games (only 3 teams in their conference topped 100 goals this season) while the WCHA teams will be more accustomed to higher scoring, offensive games (8 teams in their conference topped the 100 goal mark this season) with UAH as a bit of a wildcard since they had a varied schedule, so it will be interesting to see what style becomes the norm.

Here's the breakdown on LSSU going forward: The Lakers were a team that was average at best offensively, and they will lose 3 of their top 7 goal scorers and 34% of their offensive points to graduation or early departures to professional hockey (possibly more, as another underclassmen is rumored to have received some notable attention from the pros). They are bringing in a few promising freshman but on the whole this is team without much of an offensive identity. Barring many of the new faces hitting the ground running offensively, this is a team that will likely struggle to score goals for at least the first portion, if not the entire season.

Defensively, the Lakers return their entire defensive corps along with both of their goalies; LSSU wants to play a tight defensive style and has shown the ability to do so at times, as this past season they held opponents to 2 goals or less in 22 of their 39 games including 6 shutouts.

If Lake State can keep the hatches buttoned down on the defensive end and have some players step up and score goals with come consistency, they have the ability to land in the top 3 of the nWCHA at season's end. On the flip side if the Lakers don't play to their MO defensive style and their offensive plays like a ship without a rudder and the team falls prey to its recent pattern of collapsing in the second half of the season they could just as easily finish in the bottom 3. In summation, their is a lot of unknowns when it comes to forecasting a new league with members coming from different corners of college hockey and that makes for a lot guessing and if, maybes, could be's and the 2013-2014 Lake Superior State University Lakers are shaping up to be a microcosm of that.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

As others have said, it's a tough call to speculate on how the league will shakeout (although I must admit it is interesting), The CCHA teams will be used to lower scoring, grind it out games (only 3 teams in their conference topped 100 goals this season) while the WCHA teams will be more accustomed to higher scoring, offensive games (8 teams in their conference topped the 100 goal mark this season) with UAH as a bit of a wildcard since they had a varied schedule, so it will be interesting to see what style becomes the norm.

Along similar lines, I think the WCHA teams will also be used to a more physical game. It will be interesting to see what refs are kept and how the officiating goes. I've noticed the WCHA tends to let more go where as CCHA refs call a tighter game. I usually find it interesting in the NCAA tourney to see how teams adjust to the different officials.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

So the 'Cats lose Coreau early, LSSU loses Lain early, anyone else bailing?

Bergeron hasn't ruled out possible bailings from BG. individual player meetings have been going on this week.

he also singled out Mankato and Ferris as the two top teams on paper for next year.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

he also singled out Mankato and Ferris as the two top teams on paper for next year.
I would agree with that. From just taking the "games versus future WCHA opponents" spreadsheet I have, Mankato really put a hurting on their future opponents by almost sweeping them (8-0-2). Ferris, LSSU, BGSU and MTU were all above .500, with Alaska an even .500 at 6-6-2.

Then a steep cliff before you get to the rest of the teams.

As much as I want to be a homer, NMU is going to struggle again next season with the loss of Coreau. I think our strength of schedule will again keep us a "bubble" NCAA team, but we'll shoot ourselves in the foot with our in-conference games.

I think the shuffling of the league will help teams like BGSU and LSSU make their way to the middle of the pack. Anchorage is going to likely struggle again. Bemidji is a wild card, they seem better on paper than they were this season. It's really hard to pick a potential ranking with how fluid and equal these teams are.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

It's really hard to pick a potential ranking with how fluid and equal these teams are.

reckon there will be pretty good parity from 3-8.
aside from wanting the falcons to take it all, just hoping the conference comes out of the box strong. some whuppings put on out-of-conf. teams would be a fine thing.

unlike a couple of the non-B1G teams that bailed fast on the CCHA, there's nobody in the nWCHA that I wouldn't root for. what's not to like about Ferris, LSSU, NMU, and Alaska? gotta pull for Huntsville to get strong. the WCHA schools...it's a bit of a shotgun marriage, but no reason to wish them anything but success.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

Scouting report on Huntsville? We're definitely rebuilding from three years of recruiting against the players we've gotten against independent thug life, but they work their asses off, and I'd go to war with them. We need Gruehl or Groh to put it together this year, or perhaps the new kid will work out as a freshman.

We're gonna be competitive soon. Kleinendorst got a lot out of these guys this year, probably more than they thought that they had in them. I'm proud of 'em, because they came in when they had no idea where we'd be year-to-year.

GFM
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

Other than Shiak at UAA, is there any other coaches creeping up on the chopping block?
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

During a conversation with Bruce on FSN, it's confirmed tourney sites will be Grand Rapids and St. Paul.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

Bergeron hasn't ruled out possible bailings from BG. individual player meetings have been going on this week.

he also singled out Mankato and Ferris as the two top teams on paper for next year.

I would say that the bailings would mostly be disgruntled players who aren't playing as much as they want, no one is really ready to leave for the pros early like Sexton was a few years back (maybe Carpy but he's not going anywhere). I could see Plestch and Viselli (he's going to be a Sr. though) or longshots in Sumsion or Hills (whatever his situation is sitting out 2 full seasons, still will be considered a Soph for next season) leaving.

Shea, Hammond, MRod, and Peltoma are gone so minus 4 due to graduation plus probably Plestch and Viselli with the high talented forwards coming in.

I'd think that Brandon Hawkins (F), Tomas Scholl (G), and Kevin Dufour (F) are locks as making the roster as freshman next season, probably Brett D'Andrea (C) and add in Reed Whiteside for depth at D but that's questionable due to how poorly he's shown in junior.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

During a conversation with Bruce on FSN, it's confirmed tourney sites will be Grand Rapids and St. Paul.

FWIW, the AHA tourney allegedly drew 1095 for both games without local favorite RIT there. I suspect they just combined the total number of seats sold for both games and copied it into each game's boxscore. I don't expect the WCHA tourney to do that poorly, but I expect attendance will vary based on teams present per locale (Mankato/Bemidji in St. Paul, Ferris in GRR), and I don't expect it to top 3,000-4,000 for any game.

In the long term, I think the WCHA Final Four may end up in GRR on a permanent basis. I have a hard time picturing the X honoring their commitment to the league once the attendance figures and the books come in during the two years it's in St. Paul, when they could fill that weekend with a different event that will make more money, or simply free it up for the Wild's NHL schedule. The attendance in GRap probably won't be any better (it may indeed be worse), but Van Andel's operating costs are likely lower and it's closest to the main alumni region for five of the ten member schools.

As for Green Bay and the Resch, they might give it a shot after 2017, but I wouldn't expect it to be any better than Van Andel.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

My take on the three confirmed, and possible, future sites:

Twin Cities
+ Close to MSU, BSU, and sorta close for MTU, NMU
+ Easy travel for UAF, UAA compared to the other two sites
+ Huge potential walk-up market
- Overhead is high if event remains at the X and not likely to exceed 50% capacity

Green Bay
+ Close to MTU, NMU
+ Lower operating costs
+ Should be able to exceed 50% capacity
- Minimial walk-up crowd, WI is not a hockey state


Grand Rapids
+ Close to FSU, BGSU and sorta close for LSSU
+ Lower operating costs
+ Should be able to exceed 50% capacity
- Least travel friendly for the majority of the league

One of the main success points of the current Final Five in the Twin Cities is that Minn and UND are regular participants and they have have a lot of fans that show up. Regardless of which city will be used for the nWCHA I think one of the keys that a team close by needs to be successful. For example, if Mankato is a top team in the new league then a think that the Twin Cities will do well. On the other hand if MTU or NMU is doing well, then Green Bay will be suitable. Fans are much more willing to travel when their team is in the mix.

Ryan J
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

My take on the three confirmed, and possible, future sites:

Twin Cities
+ Close to MSU, BSU, and sorta close for MTU, NMU
+ Easy travel for UAF, UAA compared to the other two sites
+ Huge potential walk-up market
- Overhead is high if event remains at the X and not likely to exceed 50% capacity

Green Bay
+ Close to MTU, NMU
+ Lower operating costs
+ Should be able to exceed 50% capacity
- Minimial walk-up crowd, WI is not a hockey state


Grand Rapids
+ Close to FSU, BGSU and sorta close for LSSU
+ Lower operating costs
+ Should be able to exceed 50% capacity
- Least travel friendly for the majority of the league

One of the main success points of the current Final Five in the Twin Cities is that Minn and UND are regular participants and they have have a lot of fans that show up. Regardless of which city will be used for the nWCHA I think one of the keys that a team close by needs to be successful. For example, if Mankato is a top team in the new league then a think that the Twin Cities will do well. On the other hand if MTU or NMU is doing well, then Green Bay will be suitable. Fans are much more willing to travel when their team is in the mix.

Ryan J

Grand Rapids is more likely to draw a bigger crew from the LSSU delegation than if it were just about anywhere else (even the Soo believe it or not). The Soo is only a town of 10,000 or so and most LSSU students come from downstate Michigan and return there after graduation, and Grand Rapids is about as attractive and centrally located locale as you will find in the state of Michigan, it is a very vibrant "cool" city . Alumni make up the majority of the attendance at these types of events as it is....especially when you consider that LSSU struggles to fill half of their home arena with students and townsfolk it is silly to count on those two demographics for any sizeable attendance numbers regardless of where the tournament is
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

After last weekend's showing in Mankato, I'm not sure they exceed 20% capacity at the X.
 
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