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The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

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If Priceless, or anyone else who dabbles in Pairwise magic is interested in calculating standings (if they would even change) let me know and I'll post the spreadsheet.
 
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uaafanblog said:
This common and insipid idea that Bruce McLeod is somehow incompetent needs to be put to an end. The guy has been at the helm for the last nineteen years which coincidentally were the best years the WCHA ever had both in financial terms and visibility. What is it that you morons who deride him think he is? Commish of the NHL, NBA, MLB or NFL? He isnt. Those people are in charge of semi-independent organizations put in place to act as a defacto buffer between the owners and teams and to act in the best interest of the league. The owners actually ceded power to them to make decisions. And even then they still serve at the pleasure of the owners. A college hockey commish has no real power. NCAA presidents and Athletic Directors cede no real power to any conference commissioner. He is there to act as an intermediary between the schools and to be a spokesperson. That's it. He doesn't make decisions. He doesn't determine the direction of the league. He does peripheral things. Like setting up the Final Five. Wow, wasn't that tournament crap over the last 19 years?

If you have (and I doubt very much any of you do) any specific issues to lodge against him, why not do that? These generalized ... "he sucks" comments are played out. McLeod has performed his role adequately (as would have just about anyone else you'd put in such a job). Quit thinking of the precious WCHA as some sort of professional league and maybe you'll get over your unreasoned assessments of McLeod. Im sure if someone actually lists some grievance about the guy that an examination of the facts will show that it was the individual universities and their ADs who effed it up. About the only legitimate criticism you could lay against the guy is the refereeing situation. And you know what? Most fans from every other league in hockey think their refs suck too.

So let me hear it. What exactly has the guy done to be labeled incompetent by you buffoons?
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What I heard from a couple of years ago from a Big Ten school not named Minnesota he didn't have a broadcast vision like a game of the week. Otherwise, I agree with you.
 
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Very awesome to have Who hates Huntsville back :-).... Now to make the push to add 2 more teams at some later date. Hopefully Minnesota State Moorhead and another team to be named later decides to jump into the D1 swimming pool.
 
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GopherBigGuy911 said:
Very awesome to have Who hates Huntsville back :-).... Now to make the push to add 2 more teams at some later date. Hopefully Minnesota State Moorhead and another team to be named later decides to jump into the D1 swimming pool.
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I wonder if, after this year's games, ASU would consider moving up to varsity. Of course, they'd have to provide the same stipend as AL/AK, but with Moorhead as well, you'd get 12 teams, and Bowling Green would have a closer pairing in terms of distance.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I wonder if, after this year's games, ASU would consider moving up to varsity. Of course, they'd have to provide the same stipend as AL/AK, but with Moorhead as well, you'd get 12 teams, and Bowling Green would have a closer pairing in terms of distance.
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If Arizona State were to make the jump, they would probably be able to join the like-minded league; same for Iowa State.

At any rate, it's a moot discussion until it actually happens, which is not likely.
 
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I was under the impression that the UAH / WCHA deal was done a couple of months ago and the final vote was a formality.

I've only met Bruce MacLeod once. He seemed like a nice guy. true hockey dude through and through. DTP has it right IMHO.

also, despite the load of revisionist history being rewritten on this site lately (mostly by DU fans), the league and the other ADs WERE blindsided by the NaCHo. as late as the Spring meetings in Florida there wasn't a whisper of discontent from the rebels. St Cloud certainly had no clue and stated that publicly. and begged long and hard to be let in once it was announced. I so wish some of the other schools had the balls to tell DU and UND to stick it.
 
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There is a new rink being built by the same owners of the current rink they play at(non school related). I don't think that would be good enough of a facility for them to jump to D1 with though and there are no other suitable for the NCAA near Tempe... so I think they would have to build one. That means $$$.

FlagDUDE08 said:
I wonder if, after this year's games, ASU would consider moving up to varsity. Of course, they'd have to provide the same stipend as AL/AK, but with Moorhead as well, you'd get 12 teams, and Bowling Green would have a closer pairing in terms of distance.
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bigblue_dl said:
He's the definition of incompetant and should have been fired a year ago.
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Actually in Webster's it states:
[in-'kam-pet-ent] lacking the qualties (as knowledge, skills, ability) necessary to effective independent action. Not legally qualified. See also Gary Bettman, Bruce McLeod, etc.

Ryan J
 
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GopherBigGuy911 said:
Very awesome to have Who hates Huntsville back :-).... Now to make the push to add 2 more teams at some later date. Hopefully Minnesota State Moorhead and another team to be named later decides to jump into the D1 swimming pool.
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I think LSSU head coach Jim Roque mentioned a while back that a couple Atlantic Hockey schools (I think Robert Morris and Mercyhurst)were possibly looking into moving to the WCHA.
 
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JohnsonsJerseys said:
Actually in Webster's it states:
[in-'kam-pet-ent] lacking the qualties (as knowledge, skills, ability) necessary to effective independent action. Not legally qualified. See also Gary Bettman, Bruce McLeod, etc.

Ryan J
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Yeah, um ... like I said; when you can level some specific issue then I've no doubt an analysis of your charge will show that McLeod likely had nothing to do with it. Until then, why not just lay off the unspecific sniveling.
 
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LSSULaker889294 said:
I think LSSU head coach Jim Roque mentioned a while back that a couple Atlantic Hockey schools (I think Robert Morris and Mercyhurst)were possibly looking into moving to the WCHA.
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I feel pretty safe in saying that RMU, MC, and Niagara would all move to a non-cost-containment league. Air Force, Army, and RIT would all be good fits but for the fit that they don't offer athletic scholarships and as such benefit from being in a cost-containment league.

GFM
 
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uaafanblog said:
Yeah, um ... like I said; when you can level some specific issue then I've no doubt an analysis of your charge will show that McLeod likely had nothing to do with it. Until then, why not just lay off the unspecific sniveling.
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Bruce McLeod has been my commissioner twice. We have a cup with his name on it. We're okay with the guy. ;)

GFM
 
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huskyfan said:
I was under the impression that the UAH / WCHA deal was done a couple of months ago and the final vote was a formality.

I've only met Bruce MacLeod once. He seemed like a nice guy. true hockey dude through and through. DTP has it right IMHO.

also, despite the load of revisionist history being rewritten on this site lately (mostly by DU fans), the league and the other ADs WERE blindsided by the NaCHo. as late as the Spring meetings in Florida there wasn't a whisper of discontent from the rebels. St Cloud certainly had no clue and stated that publicly. and begged long and hard to be let in once it was announced. I so wish some of the other schools had the balls to tell DU and UND to stick it.
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Nobody needs to tell 'em to stick it. It will be very interesting to see the kind of success they have in their new league. It's made up of top "premier" teams, half of whom will be cellar dwellers.
 
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gfmorris said:
I feel pretty safe in saying that RMU, MC, and Niagara would all move to a non-cost-containment league. Air Force, Army, and RIT would all be good fits but for the fit that they don't offer athletic scholarships and as such benefit from being in a cost-containment league.

GFM
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If the ivies split from the ECAC, I'm sure most of those teams would consider bundling in with the non-ivies.
 
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The arguments thus far have done a good job of elucidating why North Dakota left, but I don' t think it reflects accurately why Denver and CC got going on it.
I think Denver fancies itself a top academic school a la Notre Dame, they want to emulate Notre Dame, if they were two people they'd want to hang out with Notre Dame. They look down their nose at those of us from lower public schools. ( it's true) So when they started having empty seats at Magness, especially at games with the lower teams in the league, and when certain alumni complained that shouldn't have to play teams such as MTU, they began to believe that, even though that seat was sold, the brand needed defending so to speak. In other words, if something wasn't done that empty seat would change from a revenue seat, to a non revenue seat. Couple that with the recruiting fears engendered by the big ten move, with the Bruce intransigence, with the gwoz dissatisfaction with travel to some places,and they thought they were headed in the wrong direction.
So this new league has a lot of egos in the room now and I'll bet dollars to donuts that in a couple of years there will be more changes and some schools will be looking to leave.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
If the ivies split from the ECAC, I'm sure most of those teams would consider bundling in with the non-ivies.
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In that case, the have/have-not thing would be just as pronounced in the east. I think schools like AIC and Bentley would fold, and that would be a shame.

GFM
 
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Don't underestimate the role that Ken Ralph played in conjunction with DU for all that nonsense. He is without a doubt a VERY personally ambitious guy. He's only 43 and his athletic's management career and coaching career spans at least ELEVEN different jobs with each new job being a rung up the ladder. His early involvement and lead role in forming the new conference is no doubt a nice little feather in his cap. Don't be surprised to see him in a high position within the NCAA leadership one day. I have no doubt he views his efforts at CC and BHHC as a vehicle toward that goal. Gwoz was motivated mostly likely by ego and future salary.
 
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