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Anybody want to bet that Notre Dame's "3rd Option" is the Big Ten?

I wouldn't be surprized to see them go independant, or even to see them try to form their own league. They are very adverse to the idea of tying their football program to a conference, and the Big 10 has made it clear that if any Notre Dame sports come to the Big 10 then they all come. Tom Nevala has also stated that Big 10 hockey is not an option for the Irish (http://articles.southbendtribune.com/2011-07-12/sports/29767363_1_ccha-hockey-east-tom-nevala).

What I should have said is that none of them have Division-I football, which is what the ND fan cares about. There is absolutely no rivalry with any of those schools, whereas ND played Western as recently as 2010.

UND will have DI football by the time the NCHC is playing. Not that they will be big time in DI football, but neither are the remaining CCHA schools.

Seems folks tend to think the obvious choice is ND joining the national. It may go down that way...but I don't know that its necessarily the most beneficial.

I don't assume they will be in the NCHC. I could see Notre Dame being very interested in HE. I could also see them trying the independant route, especially if they could make a scheduling deal with one or more of the power conferences or with certain teams within those power conferences. That would allow them to put together a PWR suitable for an at-large bid as long as they are playing good hockey.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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UND will have DI football by the time the NCHC is playing. Not that they will be big time in DI football, but neither are the remaining CCHA schools.

Sorry but at least the MAC schools are in the FBS...Big Sky and being a FCS team means nothing to ND fans compared to the MAC.

 

[Almington]

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I wouldn't be surprized to see them go independant, or even to see them try to form their own league.

I could see ND trying to form some type of scheduling agreement with the B1G schools, 4 games against each of the 6 of the 6 teams. Takes each of the schools up to 24 games but keeps ND out of the B1G playoff picture. That would still leave those schools with 10 NC games to fill. ND can scheule the big name easern schools, the B1G schools can schedule the local WCHA/CCHA/NCHC schools and still bring in the ECAC/AHA teams for the home games they want.

 

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Sorry but at least the MAC schools are in the FBS...Big Sky and being a FCS team means nothing to ND fans compared to the MAC.

I acknowledge that, I just don't see football as being that big a part of Notre Dame's decision. If you go up and down the list of DI hockey programs, there aren't that many well-known football programs.

In terms of teams the Irish have some football rivalries with you could list Michigan, Michigan State, Boston College, and Army. There are also lesser rivalries with Air Force and Penn St. These same schools also represent the biggest name football programs that play DI hockey, with the exception of Wisconsin and Ohio State, who are both obviously Big 10.

Notre Dame is unlikely to go the Big 10 route due to the independance of the football team. They aren't going to join AHA. So those football rivalries and other "football power factors" don't play into their conference affiliation choice. They may join HE, and if they do, their rivalries in other sports with BC may be a part of that.

I would be really surprized to see Notre Dame remain in the CCHA. If for some reason they do, I really don't think the fact that some of the CCHA schools play MAC football is going to factor into that equation in any way, shape, or form. If the Irish keep their hockey team in the CCHA, its going to be because they were offered some kind of deal for the hockey team that was too good to walk away from.

 

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I could see ND trying to form some type of scheduling agreement with the B1G schools

I posted something similar, probably in another thread. I could see Notre Dame going independant if they could work out a scheduling agreement either with one or more of the power conferences or with several of the power schools. That would allow them the ability to generate a PWR that would get them a tourny bid but the freedom play who they want.

EDIT: It was post #641 of this thread.

 

[dggoddard]

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I posted something similar, probably in another thread. I could see Notre Dame going independant if they could work out a scheduling agreement either with one or more of the power conferences or with several of the power schools. That would allow them the ability to generate a PWR that would get them a tourny bid but the freedom play who they want.

Of all the scenario's I find this to be the least likely. Its hard to see fans getting fired up without a conference race, no playoff income, no natural rivalries and it may be hard to get games near the end of the regular season. Plus two bye weeks while everyone is in conference playoffs.

I could see Lucia/Minnesota trying to get them into the Big Ten for hockey only.

 

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Of all the scenario's I find this to be the least likely. Its hard to see fans getting fired up without a conference race, no playoff income, no natural rivalries and it may be hard to get games near the end of the regular season. Plus two bye weeks while everyone is in conference playoffs.

There is truth to this, but they make it work pretty well in football. They may feel they can pull off a similar move in hockey. And if they do want try to build hockey numbers off of football rivalries, the indy route may be their best option. If they can get the arrangements made, they could go after games with Michigan, Michigan State, Boston College, Army, and Air Force. These are schools their fans will recognize. Go after additional games against some of the other Catholic schools, maybe teams like Miami and WMU for some nearby, low cost competition, and you are starting to fill out a schedule.

I'm not saying I think they will go independant, just that I could see it as an option they may be considering.

 

[MavsFan]

I could see Lucia/Minnesota trying to get them into the Big Ten for hockey only.

Not going to happen. Notre Dame football is the only thing the Big 10 would be interested in. The other sports would just come along for the ride. There is nothing in it for the Big 10 to take any team for hockey only.

 

[Almington]

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I posted something similar, probably in another thread. I could see Notre Dame going independant if they could work out a scheduling agreement either with one or more of the power conferences or with several of the power schools. That would allow them the ability to generate a PWR that would get them a tourny bid but the freedom play who they want.

EDIT: It was post #641 of this thread.

That would be the post that I quoted. The fact of the matter is that unless they have a scheduling agreement with a conference, it will be nearly impossible to fill the late season schedule with games as other teams are in the meat of their conference schedule as a true independent. The only way that they go "independent" is with a scheduling agreement with the B1G.

Considering that the CCHA playoffs were not a huge moneymaker for the teams, I doubt if not being part of a conference playoff is that big of deal.

The bigger issue will be finding teams to play in those last few weeks of the season, as they don't want to look at going into the NCAAs with a month+ since the last game when other teams were playing a championship caliber team just the week before.

 

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That would be the post that I quoted.

Yep, I just didn't recognize it as that post at first since you quoted it partially and cut out the part about the scheduling agreement.

 

[5mn_Major]

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I could see Lucia/Minnesota trying to get them into the Big Ten for hockey only.

I think I got to agree with Mav on this. The Gophers are very Minnesota centric. They would see ND as adding nothing to the equation. As a result, I don't think they'd be interested in even putting ND on the schedule...unless it carried over to matchups in other sports.

I could see someone who's a more Big 10 centric viewpoint in hockey scheduling ND...like Michigan or Alvarez.

 

[The Rube]

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At least your time is within 20 minutes of your place...

Not at 6:30 on a Friday night. It's about 40 minutes best-case. And that's if I head straight from work. I refuse to show up in the middle of the first, at best (remember I still have to park, and then walk to the arena, which adds about 10-20 minutes).

I exercise my right to leave on-time from work (frowned upon if done often enough; office politics) to watch games at home/local watering hole (the latter depends on the series; I represent at Senser's, a SIOUX bar, for that series). The "attending games" argument does not hold water for me.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I think I got to agree with Mav on this. The Gophers are very Minnesota centric. They would see ND as adding nothing to the equation. As a result, I don't think they'd be interested in even putting ND on the schedule...unless it carried over to matchups in other sports.

I could see someone who's a more Big 10 centric viewpoint in hockey scheduling ND...like Michigan or Alvarez.

I assume he's making this claim because Lucia went to Notre Dame...

 

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Some fratboy who goes to a Gopher hockey game to hit on some chick and find out where the party is at, is a bigger fan than me. I'm not claiming to be an OMGWTeffBBQHOLYSH*T fan, but still.....

That's my point. There are diehard fans that don't/can't go to games for multiple reasons.

Multiple reason #3:

 

[Happy]

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Multiple reason #3:

And to think, not a one of those guys was dumb enough to pass out in a snowbank without shoes when it was 30 below, and freeze their toes off. Man, UND gets the dumb ones.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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And to think, not a one of those guys was dumb enough to pass out in a snowbank without shoes when it was 30 below, and freeze their toes off. Man, UND gets the dumb ones.

He was going for a booty-call. After that video, none of those guys will have such problems.

 

[huskyfan]

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Mike Sertich on league realignment

http://coolbythelake.com/?p=2679

 

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And to think, not a one of those guys was dumb enough to pass out in a snowbank without shoes when it was 30 below, and freeze their toes off. Man, UND gets the dumb ones.

Well dumb dumb, Mr. Krisptoes still has his toes and put up more points last season than all four of the guys combined at the :10 mark. Man, UND gets the dumb ones who can score.

 

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Well dumb dumb, Mr. Krisptoes still has his toes and put up more points last season than all four of the guys combined at the :10 mark. Man, UND gets the dumb ones who can score.

I missed that, all I remember is that he was involved with the sixth in a row massive choke at the FF. It's probably the reason he got so drunk, and took a nap in a snowbank, knowing full well that no matter what, Hakstool would find a way to choke at the end of the season.

 

[HarleyMC]

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Looks like NBC and Versus might be breaking ground into the college hockey broadcasting market as early as next season. If that is the case, it seems likely the pieces will fall into place for the coveted NCHC TV deal with NBC Sports Group and then the inevitable...the Dame from Notre will follow the money trail.