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The new Super League is going down the tubes.

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Scott W said:
You are right about how intense it has been, but things change. Just the fact they will be in different conferences will diminish the rivalry. When you are not battling for positions I just don't think it be anywhere near intense.
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Unfortunately, that is probably true. However, it doesn't mean MN should stop playing them altogether (and I think the intensity can be maintained more than it was for MI/MSU, simply due to the closer proximity of the two schools and the heavy saturation of UND alumni in the twin cities area). For a counterpoint, the MTU-NMU rivalry has remained every bit as bitter as it was when they were both in the same conference.
Stauber1 said:
You don't have a ****ing clue.
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This is a humorous statement coming from someone who - despite attending all these games over the last four years - has developed no appreciation whatsoever for the most significant rivalry the team has by any meaningful measure.
Ya know who's fandom I question? Those who sit and criticize and bemoan the atmosphere at Mariucci and never even show up to a game.
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I attended a handful of games there between 2003-2008, and pretty much all of them between 1998-2002. I'd say that qualifies me to comment on how ****ty the atmosphere is and why I think spending nearly $50 between the ticket and parking is a colossal waste when I can simply watch the games on a 60" HDTV at home and not get chastised by security or elderly fans who don't want the noise to disturb their knitting.
I'll take series against SCSU, MSU and BSU over a series against UND.
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I wouldn't.
And if you want to keep hurling those kind of accusations at me, **** you too.
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Stay classy. Hope you enjoy all those sure-to-be memorable games against St. Cloud, Mankato, and Bemidji.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
I wonder just how many offers Notre Dame is getting right now. Personally one of their best offers might be coming from the remaining CCHA teams themselves because of their total lack of any bargaining power right now. The NCHA might be trumping the idea of a TV deal, but I'm not so sure I really see good money from that proposal. And then while Norte Dame will still have a lout of clout within the NCHA, they are going to often butt heads with Denver, UND, and UNO a lot. Those schools are going to want to have the conference tournament that's not going to be near Chicago a lot, unless the crowd there promised to be selling out the United Center even when the Irish are a bit down. All the CCHA schools really have to offer the Irish is just about total control of the league, along with all of the good PR they would get for being the savors of small hockey schools in the West.
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While its a terrible thing to say, I think Notre Dame views the remaining CCHA as being beneith them. They would stick around when they shared the conference with Michigan, Michigan St., and Ohio State, because those are name brand schools. I don't think the Irish view the remaining schools as name-brand enough for them. Since the Big 10 isn't an option, they are looking for whatever the best remaining name-brand option is. I'm also not saying that North Dakota, Denver, etc. are as name brand as the Big 10 schools leaving the CCHA or schools like BC. But the NCHC might be the best option available from that perspective at the end of the day.
 
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are we SURE Notre Dame isn't joining the Big Ten? why is it taking so long? buyer's remorse?
 
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The NCHC has been very careful about the TV situation. It's not about revenue it's about branding. Notre Dame needs more branding? And, from their hockey program? If I'm Notre Dame I'm looking at limiting travel costs and having the ability to play like an "independent" as they've had a history of doing with other sports. In other words try to fill their new rink with name opponents such as Big Ten schools and their catholic brethren at Boston College. I don't see what the conference schedule of the NCHC gives them. Omaha? Duluth? The NCHC has already admitted their travel costs will be exorbitant.
 
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The Irish are coming to Hockey East! ... maybe
Word around the league is that Notre Dame, one of the leftovers in the wake of the Big 10 formation, is currently deciding whether to join the new NCHC or Hockey East, which it has connections to with other Catholic colleges (Merrimack, Providence and Boston College) as well as the fact that all of the Irish sports besides football compete in the Big East.

According to what I've been told by multiple sources within the league, if Notre Dame wants to join Hockey East, they would be welcomed with open arms.
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Link: http://www.eagletribune.com/sports/x1424063234/The-Irish-are-coming-to-Hockey-East-maybe
 
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Montelena said:
The NCHC has been very careful about the TV situation. It's not about revenue it's about branding. Notre Dame needs more branding? And, from their hockey program? If I'm Notre Dame I'm looking at limiting travel costs and having the ability to play like an "independent" as they've had a history of doing with other sports. In other words try to fill their new rink with name opponents such as Big Ten schools and their catholic brethren at Boston College. I don't see what the conference schedule of the NCHC gives them. Omaha? Duluth? The NCHC has already admitted their travel costs will be exorbitant.
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If the Irish could convince the rest of the NCHC to stay with a 7 team league, they would get 1) 24 guaranteed games, 2) plenty of space left on the schedule for the Big Ten and Catholic schools, and 3) a path to a potential autobid to the NCAA tourney each year. A TV deal with Notre Dame in the mix would also be worth more to the NCHC financially than a TV deal without Notre Dame. A move to HE would also give them guaranteed games and games with the Catholic schools, but less NC space to work in the Big 10 schools.

I suppose independant is also an option. But there is a reason that Notre Dame took their non-football sports to the Big East. Life as an independant isn't as good these days as it was in years past. As far as Duluth and Omaha go, if the Irish go independant they aren't going to get big name schools for every game anyway. At least with schools like Duluth and Omaha they would be guaranteed games with schools that play some good hockey.
 
ecbrevik said:
If the Irish could convince the rest of the NCHC to stay with a 7 team league, they would get 1) 24 guaranteed games, 2) plenty of space left on the schedule for the Big Ten and Catholic schools, and 3) a path to a potential autobid to the NCAA tourney each year. A TV deal with Notre Dame in the mix would also be worth more to the NCHC financially than a TV deal without Notre Dame. A move to HE would also give them guaranteed games and games with the Catholic schools, but less NC space to work in the Big 10 schools.

I suppose independant is also an option. But there is a reason that Notre Dame took their non-football sports to the Big East. Life as an independant isn't as good these days as it was in years past. As far as Duluth and Omaha go, if the Irish go independant they aren't going to get big name schools for every game anyway. At least with schools like Duluth and Omaha they would be guaranteed games with schools that play some good hockey.
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Yeah, but to the average ND fan that's mostly a fan of the football program there, I would bet they are a lot more likely to have heard of Western Michigan and Bowling Green than Duluth and Omaha. Plus there will be a lot less travel for them, and it's mostly to places where a good contingent of Irish faithful are likely to be there.
 
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SiouxFanatic said:
The Irish are coming to Hockey East! ... maybe

Link: http://www.eagletribune.com/sports/x1424063234/The-Irish-are-coming-to-Hockey-East-maybe
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I just don't see the value. I can't see how the magical TV dollars justify adding a Big East team to the Hockey East fold. Notre Dame doesn't have any real history on the ice, so while sure, it may have a name in football from some national titles in the '30s, I'm not sure how that makes their hockey program a valuable property. I mean look at their other sports in the Big East - it wasn't a big deal to play them when BC was in the Big East - why is their hockey program suddenly different?
 
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AdamBC said:
Notre Dame doesn't have any real history on the ice, so while sure, it may have a name in football from some national titles in the '30s, I'm not sure how that makes their hockey program a valuable property. I mean look at their other sports in the Big East - it wasn't a big deal to play them when BC was in the Big East - why is their hockey program suddenly different?
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Blasphemy! They're Notre Dame! (Genuflect) You should feel lucky they deign to consider joining lilliputians like us in Hockey East.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
He never said it had to be the same sport. Without fans in the seats at say, a football game, then most women's sports may not exist. :D
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So, by that rationale, some dude at the football game who has never heard of a hockey puck is a bigger fan than Brent.

:D
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Yeah, but to the average ND fan that's mostly a fan of the football program there, I would bet they are a lot more likely to have heard of Western Michigan and Bowling Green than Duluth and Omaha. Plus there will be a lot less travel for them, and it's mostly to places where a good contingent of Irish faithful are likely to be there.
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Notre Dame is one of those few teams who have a truly national following. There are Irish fans no matter where you go.

Notre Dame fans may have heard of Western Michigan and Bowling Green, and may not be aware of Duluth and Omaha. But they will have heard of Miami of Ohio. And this is where marketing comes in. Especially the marketing that tells their fans about the deep and rich hockey history and multiple national championships of North Dakota and Denver, along with the fact that these schools are still national title contenders year in and year out. The fact that Duluth is the 2011 national champs. The fact that Miami and CC are power programs in hockey. I think that would go over better with Irish fans than being in a league with Western Michigan, Bowling Green, and Ferris State, schools that haven't contended for much of anything in the hockey world over the last 10-15 years. HE would give Notre Dame a similar ability to sale being in a power conference. No matter who the CCHA picks up to replace the Big 10 schools, Miami, and NMU, Notre Dame is going to be much harder pressed to sale the idea that they play in a power conference in the hockey world. And make no mistake about this, Notre Dame fans seem to feel that it is their God-given right to be associated with the power programs in the college sports world. If the Notre Dame fans view the new CCHA as a second tier conference, they aren't going to be happy having their team there.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Theoretically, but I don't think people go to Gopher football games...
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Some fratboy who goes to a Gopher hockey game to hit on some chick and find out where the party is at, is a bigger fan than me. I'm not claiming to be an OMGWTeffBBQHOLYSH*T fan, but still.....

That's my point. There are diehard fans that don't/can't go to games for multiple reasons.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
He never said it had to be the same sport. Without fans in the seats at say, a football game, then most women's sports may not exist. :D
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The same can be said of bouncey ball at most D-I schools. So people who attend games to see mediocre basketball and horrible football at the U are better fans than Brent. :D
 
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Anybody want to bet that Notre Dame's "3rd Option" is the Big Ten?

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/...ent-bowling-green-notre-dame-hockey-east-nchc

According to The Eagle Tribune's Mike McMahon, the Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's hockey team is deciding between heading west to join the newly created NCHC, heading east to join Hockey East or a mysterious third option:

"According to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation, Notre Dame is deciding between joining Hockey East, the upstart National College Hockey Conference or "a third avenue." However, the sources were conflicting as to what that "third avenue" was.

"I have been told by numerous sources that if Notre Dame wants to join Hockey East, they would be accepted."
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Bowling Green? Next someone will write that Hockey East is adding AIC. :rolleyes:

We're a New England bus league. Leave it at that.
 
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