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The NCHC: Just be glad its NaCHo League

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SCSU Beat Anyone said:
Yeah, for the most part NCHC hasn't been the best. Although for the longest time neither was the B1G..
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Wasn't really saying it was the best, but probably is the most interesting heading into the final weekend. Although I do think NCHC deserve more credit than given at this point.
 
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SilversSports said:
No doubt, but to bad more consideration doesn't go to the gauntlet and carnage of league play every weekend. Sadly getting 6 additional non-conference games (B1G) to pick up wins in counts for more than battling for position in those 6 games against some of the nations toughest competition (NCHC).
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MN played BC, Mercyhurst, and ND....check the records and conferences....it's not like playing UAH or Army. Just sayin'.
 
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SilversSports said:
Currently ND has the big advantage with the most conference wins, so as long as they one game in regulation they can eliminate UNO from #1 seed contention. And doing exactly the same as SCSU or better wins the #1 seed as well.

If ND & SCSU or if would they would also finish tied with UNO, ND gets the #1 seed via most conference wins, unless they were to have both a shoot-out win and loss coupled with a SCSU win and UNO sweep in regulation or OT. Then they would all have the same number of conference wins, so the next tiebreaker would be head-to-head.
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Conference wins really ONLY enters into the picture in the 4th tiebreaker scenario

If UNO finishes tied for 1st with North Dakota, they win the tiebreaker with them by virtue of the UNO's 14-12 goal differential in the two team's season split (the 3rd tiebreaker).

If UNO finishes in a tie with SCSU then it's going to go to the 4th tiebreaker. That IS conference wins, all right, BUT, it is based on the final standings and your record against those teams, in order of finish. The season isn't over and we don't know what those final standings are as yet.

Right from the NCHC's web site, 4th tiebreaker protocol:

Winning percentage of the teams tied in the standings against the remaining NCHC teams, starting at the top of the standings and working toward the bottom until the tie is broken.
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How can you even all NCHC the most interesting? WCHA has 2 teams tied at the top a 5 points separates a home playoff series from not making the conference tournament at all?
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
How can you even all NCHC the most interesting? WCHA has 2 teams tied at the top a 5 points separates a home playoff series from not making the conference tournament at all?
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Because the NaCHo is the best conference money can buy and the most competitive. /robotvoice
 
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Yes that's Minnesota, that's to be expected. Minnesota has done nothing to not deserve their spot and everything to deserve it.

It's the other teams I wonder about.

Wisconsin lost 9-2 to BC, 7-3 to BU. 1-0-1 vs. Lake Superior, 1-1 vs. Anchorage.

Michigan loses to UMass-Lowell, UNO, Western Michigan and just 2-2 vs. Penn State. 0-4 to this point vs. Minnesota and Wisconsin with 2 games left vs. the Gophers.

Ohio State 0-2 vs. Miami, 0-1 vs. Bowling Green, 1-1 vs. UMD and sub-.500 in conference.

To be objective:

ND: Loss to St. Lawrence, 0-1-1 vs. BU, 3-1 vs. Miami

SCSU: 2-2 vs. Miami, 0-1-1 vs. Union, 0-1 vs. Minnesota

UNO: 1-1 vs. Bentley, 1-1 vs. Northern, 0-2 vs. Cornell, 1-1 vs. Michigan, 0-2 vs. New Hampshire, 2-2 vs. ND, 1-1 vs. SCSU, above .500 in conference, only 3 losses to teams below them in PWR 2 of which came opening two weekends.

UMD: 1-1 vs. Tech, 1-1 vs. Ohio State, 1-1 vs. Notre Dame, 1-1-1 vs. Minnesota, Win vs. Minnesota State.

Western: 0-2 vs. Notre Dame, Tie vs. Alaska, 0-1-1 vs. Northern, Tie vs. Northeastern, Win vs. Michigan

Denver: loses to both Alaska schools, loss to Canisius, 1-0-1 vs. Air Force, 1-0-1 vs. Rennsselaer, 1-3 vs. UNO.

Definitely the Top 2 from both schools deserve where they are, just seems to me some of the lower teams are getting a lot of credit despite bad loses. I still feel like 3-6 is at least in the same category of Michigan and especially Ohio State with their resumes.
 
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Red Cows said:
Conference wins really ONLY enters into the picture in the 4th tiebreaker scenario

If UNO finishes tied for 1st with North Dakota, they win the tiebreaker with them by virtue of the UNO's 14-12 goal differential in the two team's season split (the 3rd tiebreaker).

If UNO finishes in a tie with SCSU then it's going to go to the 4th tiebreaker. That IS conference wins, all right, BUT, it is based on the final standings and your record against those teams, in order of finish. The season isn't over and we don't know what those final standings are as yet.

Right from the NCHC's web site, 4th tiebreaker protocol:
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Tiebreaker 1 - The team with the greater number of NCHC regular-season wins shall be the higher seed.

Meaning regulation wins. So yes it's the most important.

Tiebreaker 4 - vs. Individual Teams starting at the top. That would mean as of today your record vs. ND if that's tied than record vs. SCSU and so on.

Wins which ND has the most of is the first tiebreaker.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
How can you even all NCHC the most interesting? WCHA has 2 teams tied at the top a 5 points separates a home playoff series from not making the conference tournament at all?
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Because there is more pairwise implications.
 
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Red Cows said:
Conference wins really ONLY enters into the picture in the 4th tiebreaker scenario
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Wish that were the case, but its actually the 1st tiebreaker:

Tie Breakers




Seeding of teams for the NCHC Tournament shall be determined by the final NCHC standings at the end of the regular season. If two or more teams have the same number of points in the final standings, they tie will be broken based on the below formula.

In the case of ties among three or more schools, the criteria will be used in order until a team, or teams, is separated from the pack. At that point, the process will begin anew to break the “new” tie. In other words, when a four-way tie becomes a three-way tie, the three-way tie is treated as a “new” tie and the process begins with the first criterion.
1.The team with the greater number of NCHC regular-season wins shall be the higher seed.
2.Head-to-head competition. Among the teams tied in the standings, the team with the highest winning percentage will be the higher seed
3.Goal differential: Total goals for and against in contests between the teams tied in the standings
4.Winning percentage of the teams tied in the standings against the remaining NCHC teams, starting at the top of the standings and working toward the bottom until the tie is broken.
5.Coin flip
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
How can you even all NCHC the most interesting? WCHA has 2 teams tied at the top a 5 points separates a home playoff series from not making the conference tournament at all?
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Because no one cares about the WCHA?
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
How can you even all NCHC the most interesting? WCHA has 2 teams tied at the top a 5 points separates a home playoff series from not making the conference tournament at all?
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That's a good point and certainly makes thinks interesting. That should be one heck of a wild ride for the WCHA. And with Ferris State stumbling a bit it could be far from certain they hold on vs. Lake State.

Definitely an interesting conference as well, however having six of 8 teams higher in PWR than all but 3 of 10 teams from WCHA means there is more likely NCAA battles on the line.

But I definitely can't say its the most interesting without a doubt because its perspective and if you're in the WCHA this weekend is pressure-packed and means everything.
 
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SilversSports said:
Tiebreaker 1 - The team with the greater number of NCHC regular-season wins shall be the higher seed.

Meaning regulation wins. So yes it's the most important.

Tiebreaker 4 - vs. Individual Teams starting at the top. That would mean as of today your record vs. ND if that's tied than record vs. SCSU and so on.

Wins which ND has the most of is the first tiebreaker.
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Yes, it is most important but, remember are talking about a tie scenario here.

Read what this says:

Winning percentage of the teams tied in the standings against the remaining NCHC teams, starting at the top of the standings and working toward the bottom until the tie is broken.
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Against the remaining NCHC teams, not against each other. If you are at the 4th tiebreaker, that is already a tie with the team you are tied with. And, NOT starting "at the top", as a result. That's moot, because you are tied with them. And, if you are down to the 4th tiebreaker you are talking about 2 teams with the same number of OVERALL conference wins in the first place.

The 4th tiebreaker then comes down to the final standings and your record against each, in order of finish, until the tie is broken.

Am I missing something here?
 
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Wisconsin and OSU both are a joke as far as their PWR are concerned. Their records are inflated because they beat a bunch of bad teams at home. When they had to play against a good team or go on the road they lost (except one series where Wisconsin swept Minnesota at home).

Michigan has some impressive wins but also has 2 losses to PSU.
 
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Red Cows said:
Yes, it is most important but, remember are talking about a tie scenario here.

Read what this says:



Against the remaining NCHC teams, not against each other. If you are at the 4th tiebreaker, that is already a tie with the team you are tied with. And, NOT starting "at the top", as a result. That's moot, because you are tied with them. And, if you are down to the 4th tiebreaker you are talking about 2 teams with the same number of OVERALL conference wins in the first place.

The 4th tiebreaker then comes down to the final standings and your record against each, in order of finish, until the tie is broken.

Am I missing something here?
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Yes I think so, because that's exactly how it was calculated. If I reached the point of the 4th tiebreaker it was because the other tiebreakers were still tied. I do believe I explained that in each case, but if I missed it let me know where and I can explain it.

In the case of ND finishing tied with SCSU or both SCSU and UNO they have the tiebreaker unless there is two shoot-out games for ND (1 win, 1 loss) because they have 14 wins to SCSU's 13, UNO's 12. So SCSU has to pick up one win, UNO two in order for anything to advance beyond the first tiebreaker.

If that happens, and everyone has say 14 wins and 45 points the next was head-to-head like I explained. With SCSU having the advantage and being #1 then you start anew with ND/UNO. Both have 14 wins, 2-2 in head to head but UNO outscored ND 14-12 so UNO becomes #2.
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
Wisconsin and OSU both are a joke as far as their PWR are concerned. Their records are inflated because they beat a bunch of bad teams at home. When they had to play against a good team or go on the road they lost (except one series where Wisconsin swept Minnesota at home).

Michigan has some impressive wins but also has 2 losses to PSU.
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The PWR balances those "bad wins" out. Simple Math. (c) Scooby
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
Wisconsin and OSU both are a joke as far as their PWR are concerned. Their records are inflated because they beat a bunch of bad teams at home. When they had to play against a good team or go on the road they lost (except one series where Wisconsin swept Minnesota at home).

Michigan has some impressive wins but also has 2 losses to PSU.
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Sadly this will continue with the BI6...
 
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