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Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
Saving Christmas is now the worst movie in IMDB's history
Good.
Saving Christmas is now the worst movie in IMDB's history
Good.
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The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
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Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
I respectfully disagree with this statement. If you listen carefully to Vader's appeal to Luke, he says "Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy." It seems pretty clear that "we" is Vader and Luke: Vader isn't sure whether he can take down Palpatine on his own (just like Palpatine couldn't take down Mace Windu on his own, he needed Anakin's help), Vader figures with Luke's help the two of them could get rid of Palpatine together and then Vader would be the new master while Luke would be the new apprentice.
At the same time, the Emperor is no fool, my surmise is that the reason the Emperor wanted Vader to recruit Luke was because he was tired of Vader and wanted to supplant him with Luke, and was merely using Vader to get Luke to turn first.
This view also makes Vader's decision to turn on the Emperor more realistic. The idea that he would suddenly develop paternal concern for Luke is beyond corny; however, it does make more sense psychologically for Vader to say, "if I can't ever get rid of the Emperor and replace him, at least I'll get my revenge by killing him: if I can never be Emperor, then nobody can!" That is more consistent with the operation of the Dark Side, IMHO. But Lucas got saccharine (again).
PS Han shot first, and Obi-wan would never have left Anakin alive, no matter how injured he was: he would have remorselessly finished the mission by making sure and leaving no doubt. Since Vader Anakin had to survive, some natural calamity should have swept Obi-wan away rather than have him walk away. Two more saccharine moves.
I respectfully disagree with this statement. If you listen carefully to Vader's appeal to Luke, he says "Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy." It seems pretty clear that "we" is Vader and Luke: Vader isn't sure whether he can take down Palpatine on his own (just like Palpatine couldn't take down Mace Windu on his own, he needed Anakin's help), Vader figures with Luke's help the two of them could get rid of Palpatine together and then Vader would be the new master while Luke would be the new apprentice.
At the same time, the Emperor is no fool, my surmise is that the reason the Emperor wanted Vader to recruit Luke was because he was tired of Vader and wanted to supplant him with Luke, and was merely using Vader to get Luke to turn first.
This view also makes Vader's decision to turn on the Emperor more realistic. The idea that he would suddenly develop paternal concern for Luke is beyond corny; however, it does make more sense psychologically for Vader to say, "if I can't ever get rid of the Emperor and replace him, at least I'll get my revenge by killing him: if I can never be Emperor, then nobody can!" That is more consistent with the operation of the Dark Side, IMHO. But Lucas got saccharine (again).
PS Han shot first, and Obi-wan would never have left Anakin alive, no matter how injured he was: he would have remorselessly finished the mission by making sure and leaving no doubt. Since Vader Anakin had to survive, some natural calamity should have swept Obi-wan away rather than have him walk away. Two more saccharine moves.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
I'm sure the only thing the counter-terror campaign accomplished was to make him even more money. The whole project of Professional Christian Victim Culture, from Cameron to Palin, is to vacuum every last dollar out of the pockets of those morons. It's the new Televangelism. Fighting that by calling it out just feeds the paranoid delusions that we're coming for their Invisible Man pacifiers.
Leave them alone and let them homeschool themselves into third world oblivion. It's the safest way to deal with them.
I'm sure the only thing the counter-terror campaign accomplished was to make him even more money. The whole project of Professional Christian Victim Culture, from Cameron to Palin, is to vacuum every last dollar out of the pockets of those morons. It's the new Televangelism. Fighting that by calling it out just feeds the paranoid delusions that we're coming for their Invisible Man pacifiers.
Leave them alone and let them homeschool themselves into third world oblivion. It's the safest way to deal with them.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
Okay, I know that your point is well taken that it's a lot to digest, but I'm still surprised that the only Interstellar discussion in this thread is limited to this and a small handful of other similarly brief posts.
Mrs. EoDS and I just saw Interstellar today (in IMAX, no less), and I loved the hell out of it. It's everything you would ever want in space sci-fi. A few nit-picky things nagging me, though...
1. Let's just get this out of the way: I don't care what fun storytelling possibilities exist beyond the event horizon of that black hole, Cooper's getting torn apart on a microscopic level before he can find out. And for that matter, why wouldn't the wormhole itself have a similar "spaghetti-fication" effect?
2. But then, once you're inside: The idea that Love is a fifth dimension (or whatever was happening inside that tesseract) is charming and all that, but even my wife (who usually responds quite strongly to that kind of cutesy stuff) threw me a look that said "seriously?" at that point.
3. I'm sure this has been brought up all over the place: If you're looking for inhabitable worlds, why the hell would you ever look anywhere near a black hole? Gravitational concerns and the prospect of just getting pulled in aside, aren't you just asking to get nailed by space debris traveling at insane speeds within a century of life on your new planet? I've got to imagine that a black hole attracts that kind of stuff at a far greater frequency than our sun does.
4. What exactly was his plan? Hey, Matt Damon's character... once people arrive, maybe it's a good idea to just say "this place is boned, thanks for stopping by, now let's get the hell out of here and try moving on to the next place" instead of trying to kill everyone? I get that he was isolated on a cold, ****ty planet by himself and probably went certifiably nuts, but I'm not sure that "murder everyone and take the spaceship for yourself" had a high success rate.
5. More of a nitpick about my own ignorance of space-time: Why do people like to assume that time is a dimension that can be traveled? If we lived in two dimensional space and existed as squares living in a 3-d space-time, our science fiction would treat 3-dimensional space as squares that could travel through time instead of theorizing about cubes. Maybe I just don't understand time's relationship to space beyond the basic elements of relativity and how acceleration impacts it, but the idea of treating it like a new physical dimension just seems like a bad sci-fi trope to me.
6. Cooper really didn't care that much about his family: Huge emotional reunion with his soon-to-die-of-happy-old-age daughter! Now, let's ignore all of my grandchildren and go **** off to a planet where Catwoman is lucky if she isn't dead already.
7. Lastly: How much worse could Mars have really been compared to the options that they came up with?
Okay, I know that your point is well taken that it's a lot to digest, but I'm still surprised that the only Interstellar discussion in this thread is limited to this and a small handful of other similarly brief posts.
Mrs. EoDS and I just saw Interstellar today (in IMAX, no less), and I loved the hell out of it. It's everything you would ever want in space sci-fi. A few nit-picky things nagging me, though...
1. Let's just get this out of the way: I don't care what fun storytelling possibilities exist beyond the event horizon of that black hole, Cooper's getting torn apart on a microscopic level before he can find out. And for that matter, why wouldn't the wormhole itself have a similar "spaghetti-fication" effect?
2. But then, once you're inside: The idea that Love is a fifth dimension (or whatever was happening inside that tesseract) is charming and all that, but even my wife (who usually responds quite strongly to that kind of cutesy stuff) threw me a look that said "seriously?" at that point.
3. I'm sure this has been brought up all over the place: If you're looking for inhabitable worlds, why the hell would you ever look anywhere near a black hole? Gravitational concerns and the prospect of just getting pulled in aside, aren't you just asking to get nailed by space debris traveling at insane speeds within a century of life on your new planet? I've got to imagine that a black hole attracts that kind of stuff at a far greater frequency than our sun does.
4. What exactly was his plan? Hey, Matt Damon's character... once people arrive, maybe it's a good idea to just say "this place is boned, thanks for stopping by, now let's get the hell out of here and try moving on to the next place" instead of trying to kill everyone? I get that he was isolated on a cold, ****ty planet by himself and probably went certifiably nuts, but I'm not sure that "murder everyone and take the spaceship for yourself" had a high success rate.
5. More of a nitpick about my own ignorance of space-time: Why do people like to assume that time is a dimension that can be traveled? If we lived in two dimensional space and existed as squares living in a 3-d space-time, our science fiction would treat 3-dimensional space as squares that could travel through time instead of theorizing about cubes. Maybe I just don't understand time's relationship to space beyond the basic elements of relativity and how acceleration impacts it, but the idea of treating it like a new physical dimension just seems like a bad sci-fi trope to me.
6. Cooper really didn't care that much about his family: Huge emotional reunion with his soon-to-die-of-happy-old-age daughter! Now, let's ignore all of my grandchildren and go **** off to a planet where Catwoman is lucky if she isn't dead already.
7. Lastly: How much worse could Mars have really been compared to the options that they came up with?
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
When you get down to it, I think #7 is the only one that matters.
And I haven't even bothered figuring out why Alfred and Daughter Dark Thirty needed to solve an equation to get a bunch of people onto a space station.
EODS:
I applaud you for that rant. Really, that was f*ing amazing.
When you get down to it, I think #7 is the only one that matters.
And I haven't even bothered figuring out why Alfred and Daughter Dark Thirty needed to solve an equation to get a bunch of people onto a space station.
Handyman
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Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
I dont...talk about over thinking it completely. This isnt actual science...this isnt a documentary about space travel and quantum theory it is a friggin scifi story.
3) They looked at the world closest to the black hole because it had water. Water is essential and the vast amounts of it made it a good breeding ground for life. Outside of time dilation there was no detectable issue. They even discuss it before they decide to go...
4) His plan was to do what he could to get home. He sent the message to get rescued nothing more. He also knew that the only reason anyone would come get him is if they thought his planet was viable so he destroyed his robot and sent out the beacon. He has also completely lost his marbles and figures his only shot is to go himself. His plan is loony, because he is not of sound mind.
5) It isnt a sci fi trope, the idea of space time as a dimension is pretty standard. (seriously good space time)
6) He has no attachment to any of that family and his daughter told him to go.
7) Mrs has no useable resources, no atmosphere, no water and a terrible climate. Quaid aint coming and making it livable using Martian Tech. (yay Total Recall reference) They cant grow food on Earth, have no way to get all the people there nor the resources to sustain them if they somehow did. They needed a new home not some place to go camping...
I dont...talk about over thinking it completely. This isnt actual science...this isnt a documentary about space travel and quantum theory it is a friggin scifi story.
3) They looked at the world closest to the black hole because it had water. Water is essential and the vast amounts of it made it a good breeding ground for life. Outside of time dilation there was no detectable issue. They even discuss it before they decide to go...
4) His plan was to do what he could to get home. He sent the message to get rescued nothing more. He also knew that the only reason anyone would come get him is if they thought his planet was viable so he destroyed his robot and sent out the beacon. He has also completely lost his marbles and figures his only shot is to go himself. His plan is loony, because he is not of sound mind.
5) It isnt a sci fi trope, the idea of space time as a dimension is pretty standard. (seriously good space time)
6) He has no attachment to any of that family and his daughter told him to go.
7) Mrs has no useable resources, no atmosphere, no water and a terrible climate. Quaid aint coming and making it livable using Martian Tech. (yay Total Recall reference) They cant grow food on Earth, have no way to get all the people there nor the resources to sustain them if they somehow did. They needed a new home not some place to go camping...
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
If they couldn't figure out how to grow crops on Mars, how are they making the space station work?
The fact that Cooper station exists shows that they had a lot more that they could've done without leaving the solar system than they let on.
But of course, this is all nitpicky stuff that has no (and should have no) impact on how good I think the movie is.
If they couldn't figure out how to grow crops on Mars, how are they making the space station work?
The fact that Cooper station exists shows that they had a lot more that they could've done without leaving the solar system than they let on.
But of course, this is all nitpicky stuff that has no (and should have no) impact on how good I think the movie is.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
I finally saw Guardians of the Galaxy and like everybody else I enjoyed it immensely. It seems to have the reference-to-runtime density of MST3K or Airplane! and I'm sure I'll catch more every time I watch it.
I finally saw Guardians of the Galaxy and like everybody else I enjoyed it immensely. It seems to have the reference-to-runtime density of MST3K or Airplane! and I'm sure I'll catch more every time I watch it.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
Another piece I am deeply envious of and wish I had written.
It's long but give it the time to read it through. Well done and wonderfully interesting.
Another piece I am deeply envious of and wish I had written.
It's long but give it the time to read it through. Well done and wonderfully interesting.
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Priceless
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Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
The Force Awakens trailer gets the SNL treatment.
The Force Awakens trailer gets the SNL treatment.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
Okay, this looks really good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_MC3XuMvsDI
Okay, this looks really good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_MC3XuMvsDI
Proud2baLaker
Master of Science
That looks like it will be hilarious.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
jmh
win or lose, we booze
Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
My favorite line from Deadspin's pan of Exodus: Gods and Kings, responding to other criticism about the "whitewashing" of the cast:
My favorite line from Deadspin's pan of Exodus: Gods and Kings, responding to other criticism about the "whitewashing" of the cast:
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWNWi-ZWL3c#t=15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWNWi-ZWL3c#t=15
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
May 15. Yes, please.
May 15. Yes, please.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
Yep!
That looks like it could be a whole lot of fun.
Yep!
That looks like it could be a whole lot of fun.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
And since it's Hobbit weak...
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/509747/smaug
Colbert isn't always his best with these staged skits, but the cgi is worth a quick look and they show a scene from Smaug's attack on Lake Town.
And since it's Hobbit weak...
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/509747/smaug
Colbert isn't always his best with these staged skits, but the cgi is worth a quick look and they show a scene from Smaug's attack on Lake Town.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: The Movie Thread: New, Rented, Whatever....I don't care
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
Loved it.
"Battle for the Planet of the Apes" was my favorite of the old Saturday afternoon Ape movies and this is mostly an adaptation of that one.
Only gripe is that the cgi looked a little off at times, but overall thought it (the cgi) was great, especially the closeups.
EDIT: The apes on horseback is where it was noticeable, but they had to make that up out of their heads I would guess without live modeling. Still, overall very well done.
One scene that I loved was when Koba (sp?) was in the turret of the armored vehicle and it did at least a 360 pan of the battle and the apes advancing while driving forward. That was a cool visual treat.
As always with me and even in action/fantasy movies, character development/relationships is key and I thought it was very good in this movie.
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
Loved it.
"Battle for the Planet of the Apes" was my favorite of the old Saturday afternoon Ape movies and this is mostly an adaptation of that one.
Only gripe is that the cgi looked a little off at times, but overall thought it (the cgi) was great, especially the closeups.
EDIT: The apes on horseback is where it was noticeable, but they had to make that up out of their heads I would guess without live modeling. Still, overall very well done.
One scene that I loved was when Koba (sp?) was in the turret of the armored vehicle and it did at least a 360 pan of the battle and the apes advancing while driving forward. That was a cool visual treat.
As always with me and even in action/fantasy movies, character development/relationships is key and I thought it was very good in this movie.
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