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The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Part Deux: Electric Boogaloo

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I hope she was across the state line when that statement was released, otherwise, she'll probably get hunted down by the Texas Rangers or some other absurd shit.
 
bronconick said:
I hope she was across the state line when that statement was released, otherwise, she'll probably get hunted down by the Texas Rangers or some other absurd ****.
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This ad should run 24/7 until every Republican has lost every elected office.

We have endured these fascist f-cks for forty years. No more.
 
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Swansong said:
I keep coming back to this justification I first heard years ago, and still hear it at various times, to defend the "no abortion even if the life of the mother is at risk". It was ridiculous then as it is now, but I've been hearing it pop up again, and so many people just nod along in agreement without giving even a seconds' thought to how stupid and trite it is.


The argument:
If your house is on fire and someone is trapped inside, beyond the ability to escape. Do you shoot them? No. You pray for a miracle.



"Pray for a miracle" sounds lovely, doesn't it? I mean, sure. It sounds lovely to idiots, of which we have many. But beyond that bit of silly nonsense, this misses the point stupendously.


I think that could be another GQP credo: "missing the point, stupendously".
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This is a false dilemma. The current situation is the house is on fire, someone is trapped inside. You are outside but they want you to climb inside and burn too.

This whole thing is surreal. We have a non-medical scumbag claiming the women should sue the Dr instead of the State. The same heinous waste of oxygen says he will sue any Dr for doing what is medically indicated and a court OKd. Non-medical, unqualified people, who have not taken the oath of do no harm, are making decisions that are harming women. My head cannot wrap itself around how they are getting away with preventing standard medical care. If you didn't offer this in a State that allowed standard medical care you would be sued for negligence.
 
leswp1 said:
This is a false dilemma. The current situation is the house is on fire, someone is trapped inside. You are outside but they want you to climb inside and burn too.

This whole thing is surreal. We have a non-medical scumbag claiming the women should sue the Dr instead of the State. The same heinous waste of oxygen says he will sue any Dr for doing what is medically indicated and a court OKd. Non-medical, unqualified people, who have not taken the oath of do no harm, are making decisions that are harming women. My head cannot wrap itself around how they are getting away with preventing standard medical care. If you didn't offer this in a State that allowed standard medical care you would be sued for negligence.
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Of course it is a false dilemma. It's a preposterous argument if you give it even a little bit of scrutiny. But it sounds reasonable, and that's all that matters.
 
leswp1 said:
This is a false dilemma. The current situation is the house is on fire, someone is trapped inside. You are outside but they want you to climb inside and burn too.
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Full analogy: House is on fire, someone is trapped inside, and they threaten to charge you with murder if you don't rush in to drag out what is likely already a corpse.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Texas Supreme Court rules against her but she’s apparently already gone

I have zero doubt they’d send troopers to try and find her. If you think I’m being hysterical you can DIAF
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It's Dred Scott: Women Edition. Alito will write a decision that women are not citizens of the United States and, therefore, cannot expect any protection from the federal government or the courts. As stare decisis he'll site 1 Cor 11.
 
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Key to their decision was that doctors do not have to appeal to the courts to perform an abortion under the minuscule exemptions allowed by state law. They denied this one because the doctor was only subjectively certain it was necessary, whereas the law requires objective certainty. Further, even if they do declare it objectively necessary, they will be subject to legal and criminal review. Which means on one hand they're telling people that abortions are not fully banned, but also that if you do them you'll go to jail.


If I'm an insurance company providing malpractice/other insurance to providers, am I just leaving Texas at this point? How would an OB provider be remotely insurable under these circumstances?




I know, I know. Feature, not bug.
 
Swansong said:
Key to their decision was that doctors do not have to appeal to the courts to perform an abortion under the minuscule exemptions allowed by state law. They denied this one because the doctor was only subjectively certain it was necessary, whereas the law requires objective certainty. Further, even if they do declare it objectively necessary, they will be subject to legal and criminal review. Which means on one hand they're telling people that abortions are not fully banned, but also that if you do them you'll go to jail.


If I'm an insurance company providing malpractice/other insurance to providers, am I just leaving Texas at this point? How would an OB provider be remotely insurable under these circumstances?




I know, I know. Feature, not bug.
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If I'm an OB, I'd absolutely leave these states. I'm not risking jail time for widely accepted and proper medical advice. Like, I feel bad for the women of these states, but you absolutely have to look after yourself and your family first, full stop.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
If I'm an OB, I'd absolutely leave these states. I'm not risking jail time for widely accepted and proper medical advice. Like, I feel bad for the women of these states, but you absolutely have to look after yourself and your family first, full stop.
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There was a time when the Jews could still leave Germany. That's where we are with the red states. But the window is closing.

It isn't as if conservatives have not been clearly stating what it is they aim to do, for the last half century. Now they have the Court to do it.

The choice for the human population in the orc lands is penniless immigrant or dead. Get out while you can; for your kids if not yourself.
 
Docs are moving. It will drive out more sane people which is the goal. Red becomes redder.

so many people in Texas don’t bother to vote. And I’m not convinced this will move any of them
 
Slap Shot said:
Do you have any links to the brain drain? I'd love to share elsewhere.
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I’ll see if I can find it. One of the ones I remember was two separate same sex couples in Oklahoma and LA. The LA doc was one of tbr only pediatric surgeons around but he fled. And two women docs detailed how they fled Oklahoma City for dc as they felt it was no longer safe to practice (they were OBs)
 
Slap Shot said:
Do you have any links to the brain drain? I'd love to share elsewhere.
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Here are a couple. I've read 7-8 over the past 6 months.

https://19thnews.org/2023/06/abortio...leaving-texas/
Already, medical schools are collecting data showing just that (recruiting to TX becoming harder). Across the board, 2023 figures show a decrease in medical students applying to residencies — the multi-year training program for newly graduated doctors — in states with abortion bans. In Texas, the drop is particularly sizable.

Starting in 2022, months after the state’s six-week abortion ban took effect, the number of medical students applying to Texas-based OBGYN residencies fell by 10.4 percent, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges — while across the country, the number of applicants increased.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/u...nity-care.html
All told, more than a dozen labor and delivery doctors — including five of Idaho’s nine longtime maternal-fetal experts — will have either left or retired by the end of this year. Dr. Gustafson says the departures have made a bad situation worse, depriving both patients and doctors of moral support and medical advice.
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Thank you Talons.

No party is more fake when it comes to the well-being of children. Republicans aren't pro-life – they only care about controlling what isn’t theirs.

https://dailyyonder.com/commentary-r...fe/2022/05/24/

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...an-republicans

https://www.marieclaire.com/politics...arms-children/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/post_9368_b_7176896

https://www.wpr.org/us-sen-ron-johns...responsibility

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...omen-children/

https://www.salon.com/2022/05/25/don...nary-children/

Also against the backdrop of the, "killing babies" shrieking some facts that they will never acknowledge:

There has never been a verified case of a fetus surviving outside the womb born in less than 21 weeks form gestation.
Only 1% of all abortions occur after the 21st weeks
Of those the vast majority are performed for medical reasons such as risking the life of the mother and/or the fetus has no chance of survival for other reasons.

By all practical reasons it should never be medically referred to a "baby" inside of 22 weeks.
 
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