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The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Part Deux: Electric Boogaloo

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Can't imagine the damage done to the girl if the only person in the world she trust blatantly violates her trust (regardless of the circumstances). It would be...well...I can't think of the right word. Let's just say it'd be bad. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if it's irreversible, but from an ethical perspective could a SW knowingly and purposefully cause that type of damage to a client? Seems like there would be a lot of loopholes regardless of what the law says.

I'm way over my skis on this topic so I'll hang up now and listen to your replies.
 
I think this is a harder question that some of you give it credit for being.

My first inclination is that I would hold the information in trust, unless compelled by law to disclose it to someone. However, I think there are a couple of other factors the social worker has to take into account.

First, I think one of Kepler's things on here, I'm pretty sure, is to argue that everyone of the age of this child has an undeveloped brain. While I don't necessarily subscribe to that, there is no doubt that the SW has to fully evaluate the capability of this child, mentally and emotionally, to even make a decision on this issue.

Second, how do we know that the disclosure to the SW isn't an effort on the part of the girl to tell someone about this problem? Maybe she doesn't feel comfortable, or is scared to tell her parents, so she has told the SW in either a conscious or subconscious attempt to get the information to her parents?
 
I think this is a harder question that some of you give it credit for being.

My first inclination is that I would hold the information in trust, unless compelled by law to disclose it to someone. However, I think there are a couple of other factors the social worker has to take into account.

First, I think one of Kepler's things on here, I'm pretty sure, is to argue that everyone of the age of this child has an undeveloped brain. While I don't necessarily subscribe to that, there is no doubt that the SW has to fully evaluate the capability of this child, mentally and emotionally, to even make a decision on this issue.

Second, how do we know that the disclosure to the SW isn't an effort on the part of the girl to tell someone about this problem? Maybe she doesn't feel comfortable, or is scared to tell her parents, so she has told the SW in either a conscious or subconscious attempt to get the information to her parents?

I suppose it depends on the state where this teenager resides. If it’s Michigan, since MissT lives there, a quick perusal shows that one parent must sign off on the abortion, unless it’s determined the teenager is “mature enough” to bypass that requirement, which looks like requires a judge’s order to do so. I won’t speak to what that means in Michigan, but I’m not certain the social worker alone can make that determination.
I reckon this social worker has amazing rapport with her client, or otherwise she would never have been the first and only person to know. So, with that rapport comes great power, and responsibility, over her client’s decision-making on this matter. If the client tells the social worker she doesn’t want to tell her parents, then that’s the social worker’s starting point. She will have to exhaust all avenues to determine whether her client is “mature enough” to bypass the one parent sign-off rule (again, assuming this is Michigan since MissT resides there), which may require utilizing other professionals, like a psychologist, who would also of course be bound by law to not break confidentiality unless required to do so. Again, I don’t know what Michigan requires on the matter of determining a child’s maturity in this matter.
The only thing I could think of that would require involving law enforcement, etc., is the age of the child. Looks like Michigan law considers any sexual activity by someone under 16 statutory rape, since there doesn’t appear to be a relative age law, but I could be reading that wrong. I’m certain the social worker is a mandated reporter, and utilizing her rapport with her client, she’d have to gently let the client know that there will have to be an investigation into the sexual incident. Now, the client doesn’t have to reveal anything, but the social worker would still have to gather all the relevant information the client is willing to tell her, and file a report with the proper authorities, to cover her as-. That also doesn’t have to involve the parents, unless Dad is the named perpetrator.
At the end of the day, a good therapist/social worker/psychologist rolls with the client’s wishes. Until the client says “I want to tell my parents”, the social worker rolls with bypassing that requirement until she’s exhausted all other avenues. And a good therapist wouldn’t lie to her client, so she’d tell her relatively early on that it may be possible that one parent has to eventually get involved.

Edit: If this took place in a state with relative age laws, so the sex was consensual, and the state didn’t require a parent to sign off on the abortion, if I were her therapist, I would never mention telling her to tell her parents unless she explicitly brought it up. I think rapport is paramount to a good therapeutic relationship, and if rapport is there, the client will lead the conversation to that point anyways if she wants to do so. If not, and her parents are never brought up throughout the process, then her beliefs behind that, while important, are irrelevant to the abortion conversation at hand.
 
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First, I think one of Kepler's things on here, I'm pretty sure, is to argue that everyone of the age of this child has an undeveloped brain

Girls are vegetables until they're 25.

Boys are vegetables until they're 35.

That's just science [SUP](TM)[/SUP].
 
I think this is a harder question that some of you give it credit for being.

No, it's not. I'm an attorney, I keep all kinds of shit in confidence even if I'd rather spill it to the world.

Absent explicit permission or an exception to the rule, you don't violate attorney-client privilege. You don't violate doctor-patient privilege. You don't violate therapist-client privilege. You don't violate priest-penitent privilege. The end.

If you can't do that, don't go into the profession.
 
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No, it's not. I'm an attorney, I keep all kinds of **** in confidence even if I'd rather spill it to the world.

Absent explicit permission or an exception to the rule, you don't violate attorney-client privilege. You don't violate doctor-patient privilege. You don't violate therapist-client privilege. You don't violate priest-penitent privilege. The end.

If you can't do that, don't go into the profession.

I'm not even certain all of your examples are the same. I'm pretty sure that ethical rules that most doctors follow require them to keep the privilege, but only commensurate with the child's age, and certainly not in instances where the health of the child is at risk.
 
This is real.

1. Any woman who votes Republican is ignorant or insane.

2. It sure would be a shame if that site was completely overwhelmed with spam, false reports, denial of service attacks, and pointed messages stating exactly what we think of these people.
 
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So, I am pro-choice in that while I hate abortion, I firmly believe it should be legal. I am appalled by the SCOTUS's shameful decision, but what makes this so unbelievably galling to me is that self-described "law and order" people see the texas law and don't see the zillions of ways it could be used for harassment, extortion and anything else, totally unrelated to abortion. Pretend the law isn't about abortion. Pretend it's about owning a gun (you can only own one, and it can only be xxx type of gun) but all the rest is the same.

That's bullshit too!


And that says nothing about using the shadow docket, and that none of the 5 majority voters put their name on the opinion.


Cowardly, disgusting and pathetic.
 
White Women will survive...Blacks will be hung and Latinos deported.

Plenty of poor white women, too.

I'm not sure Cletus knows how much Brandine depends upon abortion being legal. I hope we are all about to find out.

God's fun and all until it's your uterus.
 
Its cute you think anyone will care if a White Woman gets an abortion. Maybe her rapist/husband will but this will disproportionally affect WOC.

White Women might get harassed or sued...WOC will be lucky if they only get sued.

Honest question: why is this not a major HIPAA violation?
 
this will disproportionally affect WOC.

That may not be true. Everyone is a target of opportunity now. And as more white women get abortions than anyone else, they may suffer proportionally.

Remember, the scumbags behind this aren't being driven by racial animus, they are pure authoritarians. In a police state the middle class goes under the boot, too. Only the rich are exempt.
 
Yeah there is plenty of white trailer trash in Texas who will be affected here which is my hope. Billy Bob two trailers down will want that bounty after he hears The local teen banging some teenager
 
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