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The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Part Deux: Electric Boogaloo

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unofan said:
Tell whatever Facebook University that gave you a B.S. degree in law that you want your money back. Because the A10 is a mediocre basketball conference, and continually trying to make it a thing makes you sound as stupid as your boy Trump talking about Two Corinthians.
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If the best you can do is complain about an abbreviation ... so allow me to update yet reiterate:

This will go ... Tenth Amendment (A10), and the battle will be in States. Not each State will have the same outcome. And yet we'll have laws that better stand the Constitutionality test.

What's the problem? The abbreviation, the different outcomes per State, or the better laws that stand up (and that RBG foresaw the need of).

Going to the States is closer to democracy, closer to the voters, in our Republic. That's a good thing.
 
The Sicatoka said:
If the best you can do is complain about an abbreviation ... so allow me to update yet reiterate:

This will go ... Tenth Amendment (A10), and the battle will be in States. Not each State will have the same outcome. And yet we'll have laws that better stand the Constitutionality test.

What's the problem? The abbreviation, the different outcomes per State, or the better laws that stand up (and that RBG foresaw the need of).

Going to the States is closer to democracy, closer to the voters, in our Republic. That's a good thing.
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Tell that to the 13 year old girl in Texas who is being forced to term carrying her Daddy's baby.
 
The Sicatoka said:
Going to the States is closer to democracy, closer to the voters, in our Republic. That's a good thing.
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No. We fought a civil war over this. The states are not closer to democracy and not closer to the voters, just a different lens to view them through. Otherwise have towns overrule states and HOAs overrule towns.

This is merely the subversion of law by the strong -- the conservative tale as old as time. Control a few corrupt and rotten states and then create a race to the bottom.

The mistake we made was not letting the secessionists go and we have been paying for it for 150 years. Don't wait this time -- kick them out.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
A10 can go fuck itself.
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It was needed to get passage of the Constitution like the other slavery compromises; the Southern Anti-Federalists would have been too strong otherwise.

In retrospect it doesn't mean anything. SCOTUS itself has ruled that it is, literally, empty of meaning. It's now used as a dodge by the Right when they want to ignore federal law. It would be a joke except the Court has been dominated by right wingers who don't care about principle for the last 30 years, and just ram their bullsh-t down our throats.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
This will go ... Tenth Amendment (A10)
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No, it won't. It may go to the states, but not because of the 10th Amendment.

And bless your heart. I know you're doing the best you can, but you still sound like a moron, Biff.
 
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We had something that stood the Constitutionality test for 50 years, and protected everyone's rights in all of the states in the meantime.

RBG may have said RvW was counter-productive, but she did not say it was wrong. Given no major abortion case came to the Court while she was on it, we don't know how she would have ruled, to be fair; but her comments during her confirmation process make it sound like she would have upheld the basic outcome of RvW while finessing the reasoning a hell of a lot more; basically with an additional 20 years of hindsight she would have anticipated the opposition to it and issued a decision in a manner to better defend the decision against it. But a decision can be counter-productive but still right. An abortion ruling that protects people in every state from laws that go against their rights might end up being a political matchstick that inflames tensions for multiple decades, but a SCOTUS decision isn't meant to ensure everyone gets together and sings Kumbaya. A lot of people were pissed about Brown vs Board, that doesn't mean we throw it away because some rednecks get their feelings hurt.

Voters in our democracy can and should do a lot of things, but they don't get to make rules that take away basic rights on a whim. That's why we have judicial review. That's an even better thing.
 
My understanding of RGB's point was that Roe was correct to protect choice but it did not do so on the main point, which is equal protection under the law for women. Anti-choice laws should be struck down under A14 rather than the privacy penumbra of Roe reinforced by Casey.

Well, now we get a chance to do it correctly while also enshrining countless other protections for women and burning Y'all Qaeda completely out of the Constitution forever. We told the animals "don't make me come down there" for fifty years. They fucked around and now they can find out.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
The magical thing is, if abortion is legal in a state, women still aren’t forced to get them! Imagine that
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It's hatred of someone else's options. That is the conservative soul. I can't understand this book so you can't read it either. My faith won't let me educate my child so you can't educate yours either.

A conservative is a failure who would force everyone else to fail so he won't have to face the consequences of his ineptitude.
 
What other civil rights should be delegated to the whims of individual states? Since anything not specifically enumerated isn't really a "right" anymore?
 
Rep. Mike Johnson (R-LA) at abortion access hearing: "How about if a child is halfway out of the birth canal? Is an abortion permissible then?"
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What in the fucking hell is this assclown talking about?
 
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