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The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Part Deux: Electric Boogaloo
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I can’t remember if that one is just a prick or a derp. Probably a derp with a tiny prick
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Typically a package deal.
leswp1
New member
Sorry Kep! I whited it out
Arguing anything using the rest of the developed world is not relevant. The rest of the developed world has
-sex ed usually from preschool age all the way thru older grades- age appropriate, covers more than the mechanics of put tab A in slot B. This is normal. No one gets upset or opts out.
-free and accessible birth control
-early and free access to medical care if decisions need to be made about a pregnancy
-free prenatal medical care
-sick leave if the woman has medical issues that precludes work
-free healthcare for children
-early child ed, available daycare
- More social net things in place that are too numerous to list.
-Their rates of unintended pregnancy are considerable lower than ours because they are more educated, prepared and have more resources. If they do get pregnant they have the resources to make waiting to later than 12 weeks less likely to begin with. (Also pretty sure this is not a blanket ban- the provider makes final decision. No one would consider telling a woman she should die rather than have medical intervention. They have common sense that is uncommon here)
Our country-
-abysmal sex ed, none at all, people that need it most can opt out.
-access to birth control is actively being reduced. It is costly. If woman has insurance, the insurance can opt out of covering it.
-lack of facilities and Providers to provide care (many have to travel greater than an hour) for GYN, OB, Pedi care
-no reliable coverage/limited or capped coverage for medical costs for pregnant woman, child
-no coverage of sick time if the woman is put on medical leave
-no standard parental leave- if PT worker- no paid leave.
-lack of daycare facilities, no consistent early ed unless you are able to pay privately
- lack of programs to help provide for good nutrition
-Women in this country may not have the ability to access care in a timely manner which increases the risk of needing intervention later than 12 weeks
** Bonus- we have folks actively creating legislation that is not medically sound, not based in science or reality. It can be argued that if one follows the letter of the law you could be sued for malpractice and negligence because the law forbids standard care with no defendable reason.
This country is fvcked up. We have a very small percentage of pro-birth people that have little if any knowledge of the implications of what they are legislating but have managed to leverage the ability to pass laws that the majority of citizens are violently opposed to. They claim to care about life but they only want the fetus incubated. Once it comes out then they revert to passing judgement on women who have babies they can't afford or care for and continue to block any sort of program that would assist in making sure the baby was set up for success.
Worked Family Practice for just under 30yrs. Birth to death, OB care. The sight of these a55hats blathering on about being 'pro-life' make me want to puke. They are the same dick heads who are shutting down Medical clinics that provide birth control, healthcare, supporting the non-coverage of birth control, cutting programs that support children, education, nutrition, etc. I really wish Karma would do her job.
(no strong feelings here...)
Arguing anything using the rest of the developed world is not relevant. The rest of the developed world has
-sex ed usually from preschool age all the way thru older grades- age appropriate, covers more than the mechanics of put tab A in slot B. This is normal. No one gets upset or opts out.
-free and accessible birth control
-early and free access to medical care if decisions need to be made about a pregnancy
-free prenatal medical care
-sick leave if the woman has medical issues that precludes work
-free healthcare for children
-early child ed, available daycare
- More social net things in place that are too numerous to list.
-Their rates of unintended pregnancy are considerable lower than ours because they are more educated, prepared and have more resources. If they do get pregnant they have the resources to make waiting to later than 12 weeks less likely to begin with. (Also pretty sure this is not a blanket ban- the provider makes final decision. No one would consider telling a woman she should die rather than have medical intervention. They have common sense that is uncommon here)
Our country-
-abysmal sex ed, none at all, people that need it most can opt out.
-access to birth control is actively being reduced. It is costly. If woman has insurance, the insurance can opt out of covering it.
-lack of facilities and Providers to provide care (many have to travel greater than an hour) for GYN, OB, Pedi care
-no reliable coverage/limited or capped coverage for medical costs for pregnant woman, child
-no coverage of sick time if the woman is put on medical leave
-no standard parental leave- if PT worker- no paid leave.
-lack of daycare facilities, no consistent early ed unless you are able to pay privately
- lack of programs to help provide for good nutrition
-Women in this country may not have the ability to access care in a timely manner which increases the risk of needing intervention later than 12 weeks
** Bonus- we have folks actively creating legislation that is not medically sound, not based in science or reality. It can be argued that if one follows the letter of the law you could be sued for malpractice and negligence because the law forbids standard care with no defendable reason.
This country is fvcked up. We have a very small percentage of pro-birth people that have little if any knowledge of the implications of what they are legislating but have managed to leverage the ability to pass laws that the majority of citizens are violently opposed to. They claim to care about life but they only want the fetus incubated. Once it comes out then they revert to passing judgement on women who have babies they can't afford or care for and continue to block any sort of program that would assist in making sure the baby was set up for success.
Worked Family Practice for just under 30yrs. Birth to death, OB care. The sight of these a55hats blathering on about being 'pro-life' make me want to puke. They are the same dick heads who are shutting down Medical clinics that provide birth control, healthcare, supporting the non-coverage of birth control, cutting programs that support children, education, nutrition, etc. I really wish Karma would do her job.
(no strong feelings here...)
I’m with her.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Hell yeah sister
I agree with Les - literally everything she said - but it doesn't change the fact that we aren't arguing about "when" should we allow abortion, but "whether". All of this is a side argument.
Yes, a vital one, but when discussing the very existence of a thing, don't get mired in the details of the ways to support the thing.
Yes, a vital one, but when discussing the very existence of a thing, don't get mired in the details of the ways to support the thing.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
All of this.
The Right is a cultural movement to repeal modernity. Same personality type and same goals as the Wahhabists. "Restore morality." "Restore natural law." "Restore modesty and godliness." Given that the penalty in the afterlife is eternal torture, this justifies a civil punishment in this life for deviation from these values. The Right believes this both as a matter of scripture and pragmatism (Pascal's wager). And they are willing, if not eager, to inflict pain to achieve their ends.
Conservatives fight so dirty because they live in terror. They are a cornered animal that will kill us all unless we keep them from the instruments of power.
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wolverineTrumpet
not particularly bad
Neil Peart wrote the lyrics. Awesome musician, amazing poet.
Here's my modification to a lyric from that song for the topic at hand:
'give women a path that's clear, let them have freewill'
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Why are folks so upset?
This leak has spurred state legislators to get off their well-per-diem'd tushies and do something, just as RBG chided them years ago.
This will go A10, and the battle will be in States. Not each State will have the same outcome. And yet we'll have laws that better stand the Constitutionality test.
This leak has spurred state legislators to get off their well-per-diem'd tushies and do something, just as RBG chided them years ago.
This will go A10, and the battle will be in States. Not each State will have the same outcome. And yet we'll have laws that better stand the Constitutionality test.
unofan
Well-known member
Tell whatever Facebook University that gave you a B.S. degree in law that you want your money back. Because the A10 is a mediocre basketball conference, and continually trying to make it a thing makes you sound as stupid as your boy Trump talking about Two Corinthians.
Deutsche Gopher Fan
Registered User
You’ll eventually get a Manila envelope that explains it
unofan
Well-known member
He's trying to make it a hip shorthand for the Tenth Amendment. Because everyone refers to A1 when talking about religion and A2 when talking about gun rights, dontcha know. /sarcasm
God I wish the emotes still worked because the rolleyes emote is sorely needed.
leswp1
New member
I may not agree with their thought process but I respect those who feel this is a life being terminated. The minute they take that as a stand alone and ignore all the complications that come with declaring this then I am lost. The anti-abortion crowd long ago stopped thinking and now just twitch any time someone rings the bell. The only thing not guaranteed is whether they drool down their front or swallow the spit.
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