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The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Abortion Thread

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dxmnkd316 said:
I think it’s funny that Kasich is a Republican, a Christian, and is against abortion vetoed that kind of crap.

People on here flame me every time I say this, but I’ve liked Kasich now for a number of years. He sees the insanity the GOP has become. He might be posturing for a run for president still, but I don’t care.

Edit: after reading the article, I guess I’ve been burned again. He apparently signed a law banning the procedure most commonly used for second trimester abortions.
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I like him too but he's still just a Republican. They're always on the wrong side of the issues and they don't have logical human approaches to the abortion issue. There are millions of things that can be done in the abortion policy area that would be more helpful.
 
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Good reporting here.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My colleagues on the NYT editorial board and I have a new series out on fetal personhood — how that notion has been propagated by the anti-abortion movement, lawmakers, and prosecutors, and how it's resulted in women losing rights in a number of ways. <a href="https://t.co/RHIpfjnlBq">https://t.co/RHIpfjnlBq</a></p>— Lauren Kelley (@lauren_kelley) <a href="https://twitter.com/lauren_kelley/status/1078728370425344000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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ScoobyDoo said:
Good reporting here.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My colleagues on the NYT editorial board and I have a new series out on fetal personhood — how that notion has been propagated by the anti-abortion movement, lawmakers, and prosecutors, and how it's resulted in women losing rights in a number of ways. <a href="https://t.co/RHIpfjnlBq">https://t.co/RHIpfjnlBq</a></p>— Lauren Kelley (@lauren_kelley) <a href="https://twitter.com/lauren_kelley/status/1078728370425344000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Nice to know that fetuses will be given the right to vote soon.
 
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MissThundercat said:
Nice to know that fetuses will be given the right to vote soon.
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What sucks is that a lot of these laws get passed with an underlying ulterior motive of limiting abortion, or at a bare minimum, with the support of anti-abortion organizations, but are really the direct result of completely gutless legislators refusing to do anything but govern by plebiscite.

Someone shoots a woman who is five months pregnant and she loses the baby. The first reaction is the shooter should be charged with murder, without for even one farking moment sitting down and thinking about the unintended consequences of this type of law.
 
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SJHovey said:
What sucks is that a lot of these laws get passed with an underlying ulterior motive of limiting abortion, or at a bare minimum, with the support of anti-abortion organizations, but are really the direct result of completely gutless legislators refusing to do anything but govern by plebiscite.

Someone shoots a woman who is five months pregnant and she loses the baby. The first reaction is the shooter should be charged with murder, without for even one farking moment sitting down and thinking about the unintended consequences of this type of law.
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I'm a little cloudy on details, but about 26 years ago, a North Dakota woman was charged with attempted murder because she was huffing something like spray paint while pregnant. After being charged, she had a legal abortion. I think the case was pending when I was in state, but the D.A. had not dropped charges the last I recall. Not sure if it ever reached the appellate level either, but it was very interesting.
 
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Well, to be fair, Bloatus does have one belief - saying and doing whatever is best for Donald J. Trump at any given moment in time. Which is exactly what Hamilton thought Burr was doing, so the shoe still fits. :)
 
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Well, the mass shooting thread has gravitated to abortion...
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Well, to be fair, Bloatus does have one belief - saying and doing whatever is best for Donald J. Trump at any given moment in time. Which is exactly what Hamilton thought Burr was doing, so the shoe still fits. :)
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if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Or how about :
No maternity leave
High child care costs
Ridiculous health care costs
Out of control education cost
Stagnant wages

How anyone has kids now I have no clue
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But according to conservatives, cis women are supposed to be baby making machines. Screw what you're up against, get to the baby making!
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Or how about :
No maternity leave
High child care costs
Ridiculous health care costs
Out of control education cost
Stagnant wages

How anyone has kids now I have no clue
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Yup all these things.

No maternity leave: I started a new job, but will not have been here a year before child shows up, so not only does my company not have maternity leave, I won't even qualify for FMLA (unpaid maternity leave, with continuation of health insurance and the ability to get my job back after). My company is supposed to be getting bought out and maybe they'll have better benefits, but that's on hold thanks to the government shut down.

High child care costs: Left a job I liked a few years ago to earn a better wage that may help pay for childcare. My family lives far away and husband's mom is a bit over an hour away. Part of the delay in a family was looking at when my mother-in-law would retire and be able to help with babysitting. I still don't know what we'll do for child care, but somehow we'll figure it out.

Ridiculous health care costs: Even with health insurance, this pregnancy has cost me >$1,000 so far in copays and deductibles and I'm only 4 months in. Once kid gets here the cost of my insurance will greatly increase going from 'single employee' coverage to 'family'.

Out of control education costs: Just finished paying off husband's student loans for his associate's degree. Hooray, maybe we can afford a child? I'm also fortunate in that my parents were able to pay for my education, giving me a leg up on everyone with student loans.

Stagnate wages: Previously mentioned leaving job where I had been for 5 years with no salary increase (not even a cost of living). Bills keep getting more expensive, but my pay didn't increase.

I'll also add a few more:
Need for dual income. Most families cannot get by on a single income anymore. This means having to figure out child care and maternity leave. I wish I had the luxury of taking a few years off from working to raise my child.

Motherhood penalty. With my education and career choice, I have more earning potential than my husband. Not knowing if my job will be here after I have the child, it may be difficult to find another job and to continue to advance my career and not stagnate. Even in 2019, it's assumed by most that the mother will be the primary caretaker. I was taken aback when my husband's grandma asked if I was going to go back to work after having the child. She didn't ask her grandson the same question.
 
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wolverineTrumpet said:
Yup all these things.

No maternity leave: I started a new job, but will not have been here a year before child shows up, so not only does my company not have maternity leave, I won't even qualify for FMLA (unpaid maternity leave, with continuation of health insurance and the ability to get my job back after). My company is supposed to be getting bought out and maybe they'll have better benefits, but that's on hold thanks to the government shut down.

High child care costs: Left a job I liked a few years ago to earn a better wage that may help pay for childcare. My family lives far away and husband's mom is a bit over an hour away. Part of the delay in a family was looking at when my mother-in-law would retire and be able to help with babysitting. I still don't know what we'll do for child care, but somehow we'll figure it out.

Ridiculous health care costs: Even with health insurance, this pregnancy has cost me >$1,000 so far in copays and deductibles and I'm only 4 months in. Once kid gets here the cost of my insurance will greatly increase going from 'single employee' coverage to 'family'.

Out of control education costs: Just finished paying off husband's student loans for his associate's degree. Hooray, maybe we can afford a child? I'm also fortunate in that my parents were able to pay for my education, giving me a leg up on everyone with student loans.

Stagnate wages: Previously mentioned leaving job where I had been for 5 years with no salary increase (not even a cost of living). Bills keep getting more expensive, but my pay didn't increase.

I'll also add a few more:
Need for dual income. Most families cannot get by on a single income anymore. This means having to figure out child care and maternity leave. I wish I had the luxury of taking a few years off from working to raise my child.

Motherhood penalty. With my education and career choice, I have more earning potential than my husband. Not knowing if my job will be here after I have the child, it may be difficult to find another job and to continue to advance my career and not stagnate. Even in 2019, it's assumed by most that the mother will be the primary caretaker. I was taken aback when my husband's grandma asked if I was going to go back to work after having the child. She didn't ask her grandson the same question.
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Two Income Trap -written by Elizabeth Warren and Amelia Warren Tyagi. Written in 2003 it covers all of those issues and more. Issues that the United States has the power to solve but refuses.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Two Income Trap -written by Elizabeth Warren and Amelia Warren Tyagi. Written in 2003 it covers all of those issues and more. Issues that the United States has the power to solve but refuses.
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Great book. Dr. Mrs. read it when it came out and couldn't stop talking about this "Warren" professor.
 
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