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The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Abortion Thread

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St. Clown said:
I was taking one of the first offerings from my search, figuring that their costs were lower than ours. Still, it illustrated perfectly the cost to the system - $292,500 in hospital resources for the average premature baby.
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I don't think those numbers say that :) It says TOTAL for ALL infants, not average for each. Average daily cost for infants under 1000g was $115. Avg daily cost for my daughter was closer to $5,000.
 
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jerphisch said:
I don't think those numbers say that :) It says TOTAL for ALL infants, not average for each. Average daily cost for infants under 1000g was $115. Avg daily cost for my daughter was closer to $5,000.
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Yeah, you're right. Lousy job interfering with my USCHO time.
 
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St. Clown said:
A) Define on "its own". Does being hooked up to premature life support systems in incubation pods (don't know the specific words) count as living on its own?

B) Who pays for the enormous medical costs associated with these children when the mothers don't want them?
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Or the countless complications associated with premature birth...
 
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St. Clown said:
Yeah, you're right. Lousy job interfering with my USCHO time.
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I hate when that happens. :)

I'd be interested to see if paying 50x as much gives us anywhere close to 50x better results.
 
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Conservatives have a longstanding history of make 'em come out but eff them once they do.
 
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St. Clown said:
You're proposing a huge burden on our Child Protective Services, or whatever each state calls their respective agency. These people are already overworked and underfunded for the tasks we've assigned them, but you want to add on the medical bills amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars per child in incubation. That's not realistic.
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It sounds like you are saying that our current method of Child Protective Services isn't working. Maybe we should move some of that burden away from the government over to charities that would be delighted to care for those children? Have Child Protective Services do triage, and the courts to make the decisions, and then use a process that actually would succeed in keeping those children safe?


There is a series of articles underway right now in The NY Post describing how many times NY City protective services have failed to rescue children from abusive environments, after multiple warnings, and then those children were killed. Some people might argue that those children would have been better off had they not been born; others might argue that they should have been removed from those abusive households far earlier; a few on the fringe even try to argue that women who abuse their children should be sterilized, an idea I find totally repulsive (yet it still needs to be rebutted).


How is partial-birth abortion anything other than child abuse?



"Some people see the world as it is, and ask 'why?'
Other people dream of the world as it could be, and ask 'why not?'"
 
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That's one hell of a pivot.
 
joecct said:
Two videos - don't worry, neither of them show an abortion or the results of one.

https://youtu.be/qtgqxvaV-8U

https://youtu.be/ekgiScr364Y
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While the videos are well produced, they are clearly propaganda and thus are unconvincing. I've always taken you as smarter than to buy into something like that.

Not to mention, if you are buying into the math of the first video, you are minimizing the importance of the wide range of other women's health care options provided, which, I would think, is insulting to most women.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I disagree. We're it not for a clear stance on abortion they'd win far less often.
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It gets them their ~40% perhaps. The number one thing that gets the elected though is the stupidity of the liberal base.
 
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From the video's claims:

323,999 abortions is 3% of services.
887 per day
37 per hour
1 per 97 seconds
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That tells me they are using a calendar year (365 days), not a "business" year (52 5-day weeks, 260 days) in their claims calculations. (323999/887 = ~365)
Math says they're also using a 24 hour day, not a work day. (It is left to the reader ... ;) :D )

OK, that means 1,0799,966 services (323999/0.03).

Using the 365 days, that's 29589 services per day.
Wikipedia says they have "more than 700 centers in the US".
Using 700, each center (on average) does 42 services per day.

My observation is that those had better be high dollar services because cause at just 42 services per day (administering a pregnancy or STD tests, those aren't "high dollar", profitable services) you're not going to keep the doors of a staffed clinic open very long.

If it were some other business like an oil change place (sorry, terrible, but I need some analogy) that's not a high dollar (profitable) service so that's why they are up-selling air filters and transmission flushes and tires to you all the time.

So what high profit service does Planned Parenthood offer that might be something they'd try to up-sell?
 
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