The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

Update to this thread anytime soon? (Says somebody, 15 minutes after the end of the season).

I will be working on putting in all the stats over the next few weeks. Providence will obviously see a nice jump with the title, and Hockey East (and ECAC to a lesser extent) teams will see a little extra kick as well.

Omaha will likely see a nice little rise in the rankings too. Other than that, I don't think there will be a lot of big jumps in the rankings.

I'll also be adding Arizona State to the bottom of the list at #60.

 

[Snively65]

I will be working on putting in all the stats over the next few weeks. Providence will obviously see a nice jump with the title, and Hockey East (and ECAC to a lesser extent) teams will see a little extra kick as well.

Omaha will likely see a nice little rise in the rankings too. Other than that, I don't think there will be a lot of big jumps in the rankings.

I'll also be adding Arizona State to the bottom of the list at #60.

Fantastic! That will lift Bentley out of the basement.

 

[Red Cows]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

I will be working on putting in all the stats over the next few weeks. Providence will obviously see a nice jump with the title, and Hockey East (and ECAC to a lesser extent) teams will see a little extra kick as well.

Omaha will likely see a nice little rise in the rankings too. Other than that, I don't think there will be a lot of big jumps in the rankings.

I'll also be adding Arizona State to the bottom of the list at #60.

Looking over the list, my guess is that this season will leapfrog UNO by, at a minimum, Air Force, Princeton, AA, Holy Cross, Niagara, and Western Michigan. From there, RIT and BSU are iffy. The one team that seems overranked, to me, is Ohio State, who I think UNO ought to also leapfrog, but, there are other teams between us and them that I would not see us passing.

The other caveat for UNO is, what does Mankato's past season do for them, who was the next team behind UNO on your list. Clearly they are a big mover as well. They won a conference title but, they got skunked in the tourney. My guess is that we still end up in front of them.

There are teams ranked behind Ohio State that I would have ahead of them (including UNO, now). That said, I have no idea what your formula is or the basis for it.

My guess is that UNO ends up #37, 38, or 39.

 

[LtPowers]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

Looking over the list, my guess is that this season will leapfrog UNO by, at a minimum, Air Force, Princeton, AA, Holy Cross, Niagara, and Western Michigan. From there, RIT and BSU are iffy.

Don't forget RIT adds a tournament appearance and a conference championship to their point total.


Powers &8^]

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Looking over the list, my guess is that this season will leapfrog UNO by, at a minimum, Air Force, Princeton, AA, Holy Cross, Niagara, and Western Michigan. From there, RIT and BSU are iffy. The one team that seems overranked, to me, is Ohio State, who I think UNO ought to also leapfrog, but, there are other teams between us and them that I would not see us passing.

The other caveat for UNO is, what does Mankato's past season do for them, who was the next team behind UNO on your list. Clearly they are a big mover as well. They won a conference title but, they got skunked in the tourney. My guess is that we still end up in front of them.

There are teams ranked behind Ohio State that I would have ahead of them (including UNO, now). That said, I have no idea what your formula is or the basis for it.

My guess is that UNO ends up #37, 38, or 39.

From a historical perspective, why should UNO be ahead of Ohio State?

 

[darker98]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

From a historical perspective, why should UNO be ahead of Ohio State?

You should know by now.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

From a historical perspective, why should UNO be ahead of Ohio State?

Uh, must be the conference title UNO won this ye..... Ok, then it must be the conference tourney UNO won this ye..... fine, how about all of the NCAA tournament appearances UNO has. OSU doesn't ha....... Hmm. But still, UNO should be ahead of Ohio State.

Maybe you could re-post the criteria, or edit the first post in each of these threads? I am searching but can't find it.

That way when someone says they don't know why Team X is ahead of Team Y you can just say "Here is the criteria I'm measuring by"

 

[giwan]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

From a historical perspective, why should UNO be ahead of Ohio State?

Quit answering nonsensical questions and crunch the data. Before we know it, exams will be in the way, then some claimed pseudo man trip you can't get out of, and blah blah blah, we don't pay you for answering other questions. Get back to work.

 

[D2D]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

Quit answering nonsensical questions and crunch the data. Before we know it, exams will be in the way, then some claimed pseudo man trip you can't get out of, and blah blah blah, we don't pay you for answering other questions. Get back to work.

Have a little patience, giwan. The man knows how to create excitement, kind of like foreplay where you don't want to "spill the beans" prematurely.

 

[giwan]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

Have a little patience, giwan. The man knows how to create excitement, kind of like foreplay where you don't want to "spill the beans" prematurely.

This is NOTHING like foreplay

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Quit answering nonsensical questions and crunch the data. Before we know it, exams will be in the way, then some claimed pseudo man trip you can't get out of, and blah blah blah, we don't pay you for answering other questions. Get back to work.

I actually graduated early and took the bar in February. I managed to get a job too, so I'm working at the moment.

I am in the middle of crunching the data. I have taxes to do tonight, and then I need to finish up the Pick'em stuff. Then I will focus on finishing the data for this. Hope to have it all plugged in by the end of the month if not sooner.

I suppose I could announce #60 if it would make people feel better.

 

[Red Cows]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

From a historical perspective, why should UNO be ahead of Ohio State?

Well, after taking a closer look, they probably should not. I got a bit galvanized by the number of Frozen Four appearances and NCAA tourney records. Both schools have a single FF appearance and UNO has a 2-3 all time tourney record and Ohio State has a 2-6-0 tourney record, which IS a worse record, BUT, that also means they have more overall tourney appearances, losses "galore" or not. Losing in the tourney is better than not playing in it all, I suspect, in your formula. To say nothing of UNO having no conference titles.

Then, I looked down the list at UMass-Lowell (in particular), Vermont, Bemidji State, and that of RIT, all of whom have historical resume's that I think I'd rather have than that of Ohio State's and that got me thinking that OSU was/is over-valued. Then there were other teams just a bit father down than these 4 between them and UNO that the Mavs seems certain to jump and, maybe, I added 2 plus 2 and got 5 on this one. My bad.

It would be helpful if you disclosed the exact formula you use, but, I can certainly understand why you might not want to.

Can I ask what law school you went to? UND, I presume?

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Well, after taking a closer look, they probably should not. I got a bit galvanized by the number of Frozen Four appearances and NCAA tourney records. Both schools have a single FF appearance and UNO has a 2-3 all time tourney record and Ohio State has a 2-6-0 tourney record, which IS a worse record, BUT, that also means they have more overall tourney appearances, losses "galore" or not. Losing in the tourney is better than not playing in it all, I suspect, in your formula. To say nothing of UNO having no conference titles.

Then, I looked down the list at UMass-Lowell (in particular), Vermont, Bemidji State, and that of RIT, all of whom have historical resume's that I think I'd rather have than that of Ohio State's and that got me thinking that OSU was/is over-valued. Then there were other teams just a bit father down than these 4 between them and UNO that the Mavs seems certain to jump and, maybe, I added 2 plus 2 and got 5 on this one. My bad.

It would be helpful if you disclosed the exact formula you use, but, I can certainly understand why you might not want to.

Can I ask what law school you went to? UND, I presume?

No worries. If UNO keeps on the track they are currently on, they will be making moves on this list.

As for the formula, It is quite complex, but the overall gist of it is in the previous thread. I believe there is a link to that thread in the first post here. If I get a little extra time this weekend I will find it and post it again in this thread. (EDIT: Post 7 has a breakdown of how the points are calculated)

I went to UND for undergrad (I grew up in North Dakota), then went to CU for my doctorate (history). My wife is from CO, so I stayed here, and I went to law school at DU as they have the only night program in the state (and a top 10 night program nationally).

 

[FreshFish]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

I suppose I could announce #60 if it would make people feel better.

Or announce 60 - 51 all at the same time, etc. until you get to the top 25.....

 

[LtPowers]

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Then, I looked down the list at UMass-Lowell (in particular), Vermont, Bemidji State, and that of RIT, all of whom have historical resume's that I think I'd rather have than that of Ohio State's and that got me thinking that OSU was/is over-valued.

Bemidji and RIT's pre-Division-I histories don't count in FS23's point system. =(


Powers &8^]

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Bemidji and RIT's pre-Division-I histories don't count in FS23's point system. =(


Powers &8^]

This is correct. Other schools are hurt by this as well. For example, LSSUs NAIA titles are not included, nor is Huntsville's pre-D1 history counted. I would imagine that if a non-D1 ranking ever popped up that these programs would all do very well. Unfortunately (for those schools) for my rankings, only D1 results were used.

 

[gfmorris]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

This is correct. Other schools are hurt by this as well. For example, LSSUs NAIA titles are not included, nor is Huntsville's pre-D1 history counted. I would imagine that if a non-D1 ranking ever popped up that these programs would all do very well. Unfortunately (for those schools) for my rankings, only D1 results were used.

While it would make us look better, I'm fine with the exclusion. BSU and UAH (and Mankato State) were dominant in D-II when there just weren't many D-II schools playing.

GFM

 

[D2D]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

While it would make us look better, I'm fine with the exclusion. BSU and UAH (and Mankato State) were dominant in D-II when there just weren't many D-II schools playing.

GFM

If you go WAAAAAY back UMD was ridiculously dominate playing small schools before the WCHA finally let them in. I was a small kid and don't even know if they called it DIII or what, but they really beat up on all the small schools they played, often by 20 or more goals.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

The data is almost complete, but I will unveil #60 here shortly so everyone can see the format of how this year's rankings will look.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

#60 - Arizona State Sun Devils
Overall Points: 0.0000
Difference from last season: 0.0000 (#50)
Points over past 5 years: 0.0000 (#58)

Outlook
The Sun Devils will embark on their opening season in Division 1 play in 2015-2016. While anything is possible for ASU, realistically little should be expected from their first run through the top ranks of collegiate hockey. Look for Arizona State to lurk at the bottom of these rankings for at least another season.