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The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

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#18 - New Hampshire Wildcats
All-Time Record (Division 1): 1177-863-135 (.572)
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 22
NCAA Tournament Record: 16-26
Frozen Four Appearances: 7 (1977, 1979, 1982, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003)
Best Result: National Runner Up (1999, 2003)
Most Dominant Season*: 1998-1999 (31-7-3 (.793) Hockey East Regular Season Champions, NCAA National Runner Up)
Conference Championships: Regular Season - 8 Tournament - 2
National Championships: 0
Points Earned - 83.5951
Change: 0.2513 (+ 0.30%)
Last Season Position: 18 (unchanged)

The New Hampshire Wildcats come in at #18. UNH has made more appearances in the National Tournament without winning the title than any other program in the country. Their 16 NCAA Tournament wins are also the most amongst programs without that elusive National Championship. The Wildcats have come very close, advancing to the National Title game twice, and making seven trips to the Frozen Four. Under Coach Dick Umile, New Hampshire has made 18 NCAA Tournaments, and the Wildcats have just two sub .500 seasons in his 24 years at the helm of the UNH program. The sustained level of success has risen UNH up these rankings to the point where they are currently the second best program without a national title, and rank ahead of 4 programs that do have national championships. If New Hampshire were to win a title, they would jump up these rankings even further. They'll have their work cut out for them next season as Coach Umile's squad will return only 1 of their top 6 scorers, but will get the services of netminder Casey DeSmith. It will be another interesting quest for the Wildcats, as they stalk the programs in front of them. For now, they sit at #18.

#18 - New Hampshire - 83.5951
#19 - Northern Michigan - 80.9098
#20 - Bowling Green - 80.4704
#21 - Yale - 74.1412
#22 - St. Lawrence - 67.3464
#23 - Union - 57.2992
#24 - Providence - 48.6853
#25 - Miami - 46.6971
#26 - Notre Dame - 40.1649
#27 - Dartmouth - 39.6473
#28 - Ferris State - 32.6449
#29 - Colgate - 31.9207
#30 - Northeastern - 25.981
#31 - Quinnipiac - 25.2018
#32 - St. Cloud State - 25.0657
#33 - Brown - 21.4977
#34 - Ohio State - 19.2421
#35 - Massachusetts Lowell - 17.8988
#36 - Vermont - 17.4219
#37 - Bemidji State - 12.3169
#38 - RIT - 9.4061
#39 - Western Michigan - 7.9725
#40 - Niagara - 7.9213
#41 - Princeton - 7.1971
#42 - Air Force - 6.4961
#43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
#44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
#45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
#46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
#47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
#48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
#49 - Alaska - 3.8568
#50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
#51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
#52 - Army - 1.6052
#53 - Canisius - 0.6028
#54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
#55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
#56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
#57 - Penn State - 0.0589
#58 - AIC - 0.0374
#59 - Bentley - 0.0363

*According to my formula for determining the best teams from the NCAA era (1947-present)
 
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Yep, that sums up my Wildcats (UNH) well, FS; always the bridesmaid, never the bride, I guess. Will be interesting to see if we can hold onto #18 after this coming season. A lot will depend on incoming freshmen making good on their playing time.
 
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#17 - Rensselaer Engineers
All-Time Record (Division 1): 1012-897-125 (.528)
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 9
NCAA Tournament Record: 7-9-1
Frozen Four Appearances: 5 (1953, 1954, 1961, 1964, 1985)
Best Result: National Champion (1954, 1985)
Most Dominant Season*: 1984-1985 (35-2-1 (.934) ECAC Regular Season Champions, ECAC Tournament Champions, NCAA National Champions)
Conference Championships: Regular Season - 5 Tournament - 3
National Championships: 2
Points Earned - 100.4252
Change: -2.1948 (- 2.14%)**
Last Season Position: 17 (unchanged)

The Rensselaer Engineers come in at #17. RPI had a mediocre 2013-2014 campaign, going just a hair under .500 in head coach Seth Appert's 8th season at the helm of the Engineer program. RPI has a tremendous amount of history, but when it comes to being relevant lately, that simply hasn't happened. Since winning the National Championship in dominating fashion in 1985, the Engineers have made only 3 NCAA Tournament appearances, going 0-3 without scoring a goal. It's not the first time RPI has endured a gap in success. The Engineers went 20 years between NCAA Tournament appearances from 1964-1984, and won only 1 NCAA Tournament game (third place game in 1964) between their two national titles. However, it is those two National Championships that place RPI at #17, albeit the lowest ranked multi-title winner. For RPI to rise back up the rankings, they will need to put more hardware in the trophy cases. That will be tricky in the upcoming season, as RPI plays in the brutal ECAC, and returns just 2 of their top 6 scorers from a season ago. Senior Netminder Scott Diebold will look to put the Engineers on his back. If they can make some noise and have a solid season, RPI has a chance to move up in the rankings. For now, they sit at #17.

#17 - Rensselaer - 100.4252
#18 - New Hampshire - 83.5951
#19 - Northern Michigan - 80.9098
#20 - Bowling Green - 80.4704
#21 - Yale - 74.1412
#22 - St. Lawrence - 67.3464
#23 - Union - 57.2992
#24 - Providence - 48.6853
#25 - Miami - 46.6971
#26 - Notre Dame - 40.1649
#27 - Dartmouth - 39.6473
#28 - Ferris State - 32.6449
#29 - Colgate - 31.9207
#30 - Northeastern - 25.981
#31 - Quinnipiac - 25.2018
#32 - St. Cloud State - 25.0657
#33 - Brown - 21.4977
#34 - Ohio State - 19.2421
#35 - Massachusetts Lowell - 17.8988
#36 - Vermont - 17.4219
#37 - Bemidji State - 12.3169
#38 - RIT - 9.4061
#39 - Western Michigan - 7.9725
#40 - Niagara - 7.9213
#41 - Princeton - 7.1971
#42 - Air Force - 6.4961
#43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
#44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
#45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
#46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
#47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
#48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
#49 - Alaska - 3.8568
#50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
#51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
#52 - Army - 1.6052
#53 - Canisius - 0.6028
#54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
#55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
#56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
#57 - Penn State - 0.0589
#58 - AIC - 0.0374
#59 - Bentley - 0.0363

*According to my formula for determining the best teams from the NCAA era (1947-present)

**Each season I go back through and triple check the data to ensure that it is correct. Given the vast amount of data used, there is usually a mistake or two that I catch that results in a team either gaining or losing points that they normally would not have. This year, I found that I had incorrectly counted RPI's Regular Season conference championships (counted their Tri-State League titles while they were playing in the ECAC). That resulted in them losing about a couple points. This season, they would have accrued about 1/4 of a point.
 
Snively65 said:
Yep, that sums up my Wildcats (UNH) well, FS; always the bridesmaid, never the bride, I guess. Will be interesting to see if we can hold onto #18 after this coming season. A lot will depend on incoming freshmen making good on their playing time.
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No DeSmith though
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Senior Netminder Scott Diebold will look to put the Engineers on his back. If they can make some noise and have a solid season, RPI has a chance to move up in the rankings. For now, they sit at #17.
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While I agree with most of your post, RPI's best chance is if Jason Kasdorf returns to his form of 2012-13 after his early season-ending injury last fall, and relegates Diebold to the backup position again.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
The post was written prior to DeSmith's suspension, but your point remains valid. New Hampshire will have a difficult season ahead of them if they do not get consistent play from their netminder...whoever that is.
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Likely to be another freshman, Adam Clark.

But, yikes, that is a huge point difference between UNH and RPI.
 
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Snively65 said:
Likely to be another freshman, Adam Clark.

But, yikes, that is a huge point difference between UNH and RPI.
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A National Title would cure that gap. Even a runner-up finish in the right set of circumstances would probably pull UNH ahead of RPI.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
While I agree with most of your post, RPI's best chance is if Jason Kasdorf returns to his form of 2012-13 after his early season-ending injury last fall, and relegates Diebold to the backup position again.
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Either way, RPI will need to get top notch goaltending if they want to compete for hardware this season in the ECAC.

It's amazing how cyclical college hockey can be. Just 3 years ago, the ECAC was the laughing stock of the sport. Now the conference is the on top of the hill. Maybe that's the writing on the wall that RPI is due for another stretch of dominance?
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Either way, RPI will need to get top notch goaltending if they want to compete for hardware this season in the ECAC.

It's amazing how cyclical college hockey can be. Just 3 years ago, the ECAC was the laughing stock of the sport. Now the conference is the on top of the hill. Maybe that's the writing on the wall that RPI is due for another stretch of dominance?
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1954 - 1985 - 2016??
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
It's amazing how cyclical college hockey can be. Just 3 years ago, the ECAC was the laughing stock of the sport. Now the conference is the on top of the hill.
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You can see why it was the laughing stock ... here is how the ECAC did (I think) in the NCAA tournament since 2000

Year ECAC
2000 1-2
2001 0-1
2002 0-1
2003 2-2
2004 1-3
2005 1-3
2006 1-2
2007 0-2
2008 1-2
2009 1-3
2010 1-2
2011 1-3
2012 3-2 F4 (1)
2013 8-2 F4 (2)
2014 4-2 F4 (1)

The problem was that, while the average ECAC team was as good as the average team in other leagues, at the top of the league, it did not have the ability to consistently stand toe to toe with the "Big Boys" with the exception of perhaps Cornell.
 
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Dutchman said:
You can see why it was the laughing stock ... here is how the ECAC did (I think) in the NCAA tournament since 2000

Year ECAC
2000 1-2
2001 0-1
2002 0-1
2003 2-2
2004 1-3
2005 1-3
2006 1-2
2007 0-2
2008 1-2
2009 1-3
2010 1-2
2011 1-3
2012 3-2 F4 (1)
2013 8-2 F4 (2)
2014 4-2 F4 (1)

The problem was that, while the average ECAC team was as good as the average team in other leagues, it did not have the ability to consistently stand toe to toe with the "Big Boys" with the exception of perhaps Cornell.
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It has truly been a remarkable turnaround for the conference. It also does not appear that it will be a temporary appearance at the top either. Union, Yale, Cornell, and Quinnipiac have extremely solid programs with great coaches. Harvard is always a sleeping giant, and this year the ECAC has a very experienced Colgate squad that could replicate Union's success from last season. From top to bottom the ECAC is easily arguable as the best conference in college hockey, and certainly one of the "Big Boys" these days. Looooong gone are the days of the EZAC, and, at least as far as I'm concerned, I'm glad that the ECAC is back to its rightful spot in the pantheon of college hockey.
 
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D2D said:
According to my calendar just eight days remain until October!
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16 teams left in 8 days...can it be done? :p:D:D

I was thinking, and I think I'll do the following:

#16-15-14 released tomorrow
#13-12-11 released Wednesday
#10-9 released Thursday
#8-7 released Friday
#6-5-4 released Saturday
#3-2-1 released Sunday

Or, if people would prefer, I can keep going 1 at a time with the goal of having the list finished by the first real weekend of college hockey (i.e. ~October 10).

I'm fine with either.
 
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Or you have people guess the rest. Here are mine.
16-UMD
15 Clarkson
14 Harvard
13 Cornell
12 CC
11 Maine
10 Michigan State
9 Michigan Tech
8 LSSU
7 BU
6 UW
5 DU
4 BC
3 Evil Gophers
2 Michigan
1 Sioux
 
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That finish by Sunday scenario sounds unnecessarily ambitious, FS. It seems to be that October 10th would be fine.

My guess is that Terry Switzer is close, but I am looking forward to seeing how the point spread widens with increased hardware. ;)
 
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Snively65 said:
That finish by Sunday scenario sounds unnecessarily ambitious, FS. It seems to be that October 10th would be fine.
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He hasn't posted one in two weeks. At this rate, I would say a finish by Christmas scenario would be ambitious.
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
He hasn't posted one in two weeks. At this rate, I would say a finish by Christmas scenario would be ambitious.
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:p:D:D

It really is more of a what do people want to see.

Do people really just want to have the list of the teams with their point totals? That could be done in a matter of a couple hours (I would say minutes, but I'm not currently at home).

Do people want the list with the detail done with the previous teams? That would take a little bit longer, but still something that could be done by tomorrow or Thursday.

Do people want time to discuss the teams on the list from a historical standpoint? Well, that was the intention of the thread and the list. I try my best to post as often as I can, yet still give time for discussion.

At this point, I'm leaning towards just finishing the list up in the next few days (maybe by Sunday). Once games are played, I theoretically would enter that data in and that would change the programs' point totals. Of course, in reality I compile the information throughout the season, but don't enter it in until after the season has finished.
 
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