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This is pretty cool stuff man. How long did it take you to put all this together? Pretty impressive!
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The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
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This is pretty cool stuff man. How long did it take you to put all this together? Pretty impressive!
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
So if they won the title in 2012-2013, could they actually finish #26?
So if they won the title in 2012-2013, could they actually finish #26?
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
They would probably shoot past 26 if they won the title. If they made another run to the Frozen Four, maybe reach the title game, they would likely finish around #26 depending on how other teams do.
So if they won the title in 2012-2013, could they actually finish #26?
They would probably shoot past 26 if they won the title. If they made another run to the Frozen Four, maybe reach the title game, they would likely finish around #26 depending on how other teams do.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
I put together the formula during the '08-'09 season with the hopes of having all the data in by the Summer of '09. It took me about 2 years to put the data in, so I suppose about 2.5 years all together. Now that everything is in, it is fairly easy to plug all the new numbers in each season.
I put together the formula during the '08-'09 season with the hopes of having all the data in by the Summer of '09. It took me about 2 years to put the data in, so I suppose about 2.5 years all together. Now that everything is in, it is fairly easy to plug all the new numbers in each season.
mnstate0fhockey
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
You're welcome, although it has been just as enjoyable for me.
Pretty impressive! Thanks for all your hard work with this
You're welcome, although it has been just as enjoyable for me.
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
That would be awful - it wouldn't be nearly as funny if #26 Union was actually #26 Union
That would be awful - it wouldn't be nearly as funny if #26 Union was actually #26 Union
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
#20-#58 are in...
http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/Greatest-Programs.html
Ferris State comes in at #28. The Bulldogs earned 19.0003 points on the season, and jumped 7 spots in the rankings. As a result of Ferris' leap, Northeastern dropped a spot to #29. Other than that, #20-27 remained the same position wise, but Notre Dame keeps getting closer to surpassing Providence. Miami also distanced themselves a bit from Providence and Notre Dame, but would need a great season next year (probably a run to the title game or a national title) to move up a spot or two.
#20-#58 are in...
http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/Greatest-Programs.html
Ferris State comes in at #28. The Bulldogs earned 19.0003 points on the season, and jumped 7 spots in the rankings. As a result of Ferris' leap, Northeastern dropped a spot to #29. Other than that, #20-27 remained the same position wise, but Notre Dame keeps getting closer to surpassing Providence. Miami also distanced themselves a bit from Providence and Notre Dame, but would need a great season next year (probably a run to the title game or a national title) to move up a spot or two.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
#15-19 have been added (see link in previous post)...
No changes in standings, but Duluth continues to climb closer to Harvard. New Hampshire makes the biggest drop (about a half point) and lost ground on Northern Michigan (UNH was about a 1/4 point away coming into the season, and now find themselves 1 1/4 point behind).
14 teams left to be unveiled, and along with those some interesting changes...
#15-19 have been added (see link in previous post)...
No changes in standings, but Duluth continues to climb closer to Harvard. New Hampshire makes the biggest drop (about a half point) and lost ground on Northern Michigan (UNH was about a 1/4 point away coming into the season, and now find themselves 1 1/4 point behind).
14 teams left to be unveiled, and along with those some interesting changes...
sterlippo1
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
i love when you do this thing
i love when you do this thing
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
#8-#58 are in...
http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/G...-Programs.html
The biggest change in this latest group (8-14) is that Cornell has jumped past LSSU into the #11 spot. Clarkson stands firm at #14, although a strong season from Harvard could knock the Golden Knights back a peg. The group from 9-13 is actually fairly close. If a team like LSSU or CC were to get on a run and perhaps make a Frozen Four or even win a title, they could very well jump into the top 10. Meanwhile, Michigan State finds themselves in sort of a lonely spot, as they are significantly ahead of #9 (by 64 points) yet significantly behind #7 (whoever that may be
). I would expect Michigan State to stay at #8 for probably the next few years, and perhaps quite longer than that (especially if top 7 teams continue to win titles (has happened for 11 of the past 13 champions, and one of the 2 was Michigan State)).
Anyway, BC was #7 at the end of last season...did they jump up, and if so, how far? The top 7 should be released at some point this weekend.
#8-#58 are in...
http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/G...-Programs.html
The biggest change in this latest group (8-14) is that Cornell has jumped past LSSU into the #11 spot. Clarkson stands firm at #14, although a strong season from Harvard could knock the Golden Knights back a peg. The group from 9-13 is actually fairly close. If a team like LSSU or CC were to get on a run and perhaps make a Frozen Four or even win a title, they could very well jump into the top 10. Meanwhile, Michigan State finds themselves in sort of a lonely spot, as they are significantly ahead of #9 (by 64 points) yet significantly behind #7 (whoever that may be
). I would expect Michigan State to stay at #8 for probably the next few years, and perhaps quite longer than that (especially if top 7 teams continue to win titles (has happened for 11 of the past 13 champions, and one of the 2 was Michigan State)). Anyway, BC was #7 at the end of last season...did they jump up, and if so, how far? The top 7 should be released at some point this weekend.
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
I doubt close matters in the formula. Had Ferris won against BC, it would have helped RIT more with another win over a team that has won a National Title. LSSU has a National Title, so that probably helped keep RIT's drop smaller than what it could have been.
I doubt close matters in the formula. Had Ferris won against BC, it would have helped RIT more with another win over a team that has won a National Title. LSSU has a National Title, so that probably helped keep RIT's drop smaller than what it could have been.
sterlippo1
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
it wont show us the rankings, says the page is unavailable at this time
#8-#58 are in...
http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/G...-Programs.html
The biggest change in this latest group (8-14) is that Cornell has jumped past LSSU into the #11 spot. Clarkson stands firm at #14, although a strong season from Harvard could knock the Golden Knights back a peg. The group from 9-13 is actually fairly close. If a team like LSSU or CC were to get on a run and perhaps make a Frozen Four or even win a title, they could very well jump into the top 10. Meanwhile, Michigan State finds themselves in sort of a lonely spot, as they are significantly ahead of #9 (by 64 points) yet significantly behind #7 (whoever that may be
Anyway, BC was #7 at the end of last season...did they jump up, and if so, how far? The top 7 should be released at some point this weekend.
it wont show us the rankings, says the page is unavailable at this time
Shirtless Guy
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/Greatest-Programs.html
sterlippo1
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
Thank you for providing the proper link.
#7 is up, and it is Wisconsin.
What does that tell us? Wisconsin dropped from #6 last season, and Boston College has made a jump after winning their 5th title.
Thank you for providing the proper link.
#7 is up, and it is Wisconsin.
What does that tell us? Wisconsin dropped from #6 last season, and Boston College has made a jump after winning their 5th title.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
And the list is complete...
http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/Greatest-Programs.html
Obviously, some changes in the top 6. As noted before, Wisconsin dropped out of the top 6, largely due to BC's great season this year. BU dropped two spots from #4 to #6. One spot is easily accounted for due to BC's title season, but the other was actually a mistake on my part. I had transposed a number for DU (I also just caught that I missed a number for Union, so their point value increased, but their rank stayed the same), and when it was corrected, DU saw an increase of about 11-12 points (the rest of their improvement was from their season this year...about 1.5 points). As a result, DU jumps from #5 to #4 (where they should have been last season). Meanwhile, BC jumps from #7 to #5, and is just one Jerry York-esque season away from moving up further.
As for the top 3, Minnesota made up some ground on North Dakota, and are now about 29 points behind UND. North Dakota made up about 3 points on Michigan, but are still a significant 52ish points back.
Looking to next year, Michigan will almost assuredly continue to be #1. It is possible if North Dakota had one of those greatest of all-time seasons that they could catch Michigan, but it would likely require the Wolverines having a very bad season. Minnesota could jump North Dakota if they win the title (assuming they win it over someone else besides North Dakota). It is unlikely that anyone supplants one of these three squads in the top 3.
BC has a great chance to move to #4 and put themselves in position for a run at the top 3 with another title next season. The same could be said for DU, BU, or Wisconsin, as that group between #4-#7 is pretty fluid. As noted earlier, Michigan State is pretty isolated at #8, and probably won't be challenged for the foreseeable future. If the Spartans were to win a couple titles in a row, they might be able to put themselves within striking distance of the top 7.
The next group that is pretty bunched up is #9-#13. If anyone in that group wins a title they likely find themselves #9 (unless it is something like CC over Maine, in which Maine could theoretically hold on to the #9 spot). Clarkson and Harvard are close at 14/15, and if Harvard has a very good season (read: ECAC title/Regional Finalist) where Clarkson struggles, the Crimson could move up a spot. Duluth is also within striking distance where a Frozen Four perhaps puts them past both schools, and RPI is in a similar position, although it would likely take a title to move up past Clarkson (and we all know RPI won't win their title until 2016).
Obviously, a title can jump a team up quite a bit. A championship game appearance can boost a school up quite a bit as well, and a Frozen Four bid does some damage. Will we see more newcomers to the Frozen Four stage? Since 2008, six schools have made their first trip to the Frozen Four (Notre Dame in '08, Miami and Bemidji St. in '09, RIT in '10, and Union and Ferris St. in '12), so there is a decent chance that we see a school make their first trip. My best guesses would be SCSU, Western Michigan, Lowell, Merrimack, or Omaha. If any of those teams make the Frozen Four, they will likely jump up in the rankings.
Anyway, I will be updating the numbers at the end of next season, so until then there will not be any new updates. Thank you to everyone that followed the updates. Obviously, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them the best I can.
And the list is complete...
http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/Greatest-Programs.html
Obviously, some changes in the top 6. As noted before, Wisconsin dropped out of the top 6, largely due to BC's great season this year. BU dropped two spots from #4 to #6. One spot is easily accounted for due to BC's title season, but the other was actually a mistake on my part. I had transposed a number for DU (I also just caught that I missed a number for Union, so their point value increased, but their rank stayed the same), and when it was corrected, DU saw an increase of about 11-12 points (the rest of their improvement was from their season this year...about 1.5 points). As a result, DU jumps from #5 to #4 (where they should have been last season). Meanwhile, BC jumps from #7 to #5, and is just one Jerry York-esque season away from moving up further.
As for the top 3, Minnesota made up some ground on North Dakota, and are now about 29 points behind UND. North Dakota made up about 3 points on Michigan, but are still a significant 52ish points back.
Looking to next year, Michigan will almost assuredly continue to be #1. It is possible if North Dakota had one of those greatest of all-time seasons that they could catch Michigan, but it would likely require the Wolverines having a very bad season. Minnesota could jump North Dakota if they win the title (assuming they win it over someone else besides North Dakota). It is unlikely that anyone supplants one of these three squads in the top 3.
BC has a great chance to move to #4 and put themselves in position for a run at the top 3 with another title next season. The same could be said for DU, BU, or Wisconsin, as that group between #4-#7 is pretty fluid. As noted earlier, Michigan State is pretty isolated at #8, and probably won't be challenged for the foreseeable future. If the Spartans were to win a couple titles in a row, they might be able to put themselves within striking distance of the top 7.
The next group that is pretty bunched up is #9-#13. If anyone in that group wins a title they likely find themselves #9 (unless it is something like CC over Maine, in which Maine could theoretically hold on to the #9 spot). Clarkson and Harvard are close at 14/15, and if Harvard has a very good season (read: ECAC title/Regional Finalist) where Clarkson struggles, the Crimson could move up a spot. Duluth is also within striking distance where a Frozen Four perhaps puts them past both schools, and RPI is in a similar position, although it would likely take a title to move up past Clarkson (and we all know RPI won't win their title until 2016).
Obviously, a title can jump a team up quite a bit. A championship game appearance can boost a school up quite a bit as well, and a Frozen Four bid does some damage. Will we see more newcomers to the Frozen Four stage? Since 2008, six schools have made their first trip to the Frozen Four (Notre Dame in '08, Miami and Bemidji St. in '09, RIT in '10, and Union and Ferris St. in '12), so there is a decent chance that we see a school make their first trip. My best guesses would be SCSU, Western Michigan, Lowell, Merrimack, or Omaha. If any of those teams make the Frozen Four, they will likely jump up in the rankings.
Anyway, I will be updating the numbers at the end of next season, so until then there will not be any new updates. Thank you to everyone that followed the updates. Obviously, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them the best I can.
mnstate0fhockey
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Sorry if I missed this, but how did Denver gain more points than Minnesota?
EDIT: Nevermind, I just saw your note
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58
I had transposed a number when I put the data in and didn't notice the mistake until I was going through my double check of the data at the end of the season. DU put up about 1.5 points this season, and gained about 12 when I corrected my mistake. DU should have been #4 at the end of last season, and basically held their ground this season.
I had transposed a number when I put the data in and didn't notice the mistake until I was going through my double check of the data at the end of the season. DU put up about 1.5 points this season, and gained about 12 when I corrected my mistake. DU should have been #4 at the end of last season, and basically held their ground this season.
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