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The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
It will definitely be interesting to see where he ranks among coaches that didn't win the big one.
It will definitely be interesting to see where he ranks among coaches that didn't win the big one.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Federal League
I like hockey.
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Len Ceglarski
Jack Riley
Dick Umile
Charlie Holt
Cooney Weiland
Len Ceglarski
Jack Riley
Dick Umile
Charlie Holt
Cooney Weiland
co14ers
Running like Hell
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
What other criteria are you using for rating coaches? Such potential categories may include All-Americans produced, graduation rates of players, academic achievement, "turning" a program around, etc.
FWIW, Olympics and NHL careers are not factored in. I will only be looking at time at D-1 Colleges. Given that, while I think Herb Brooks will fair very well, I don't know if he'll finish on top. We'll see though.
What other criteria are you using for rating coaches? Such potential categories may include All-Americans produced, graduation rates of players, academic achievement, "turning" a program around, etc.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Maybe I just missed it but.....Dave Hakstol.
Maybe I just missed it but.....Dave Hakstol.
GoldenBear
Let's Go Saints
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Joe Marsh. There isn't a coach in the nation who does more with less every single season, a program in the nation who wouldn't want him on board, or coach in the nation who doesn't respect him more. Within in 3 years of taking over a program that had been debating dropping to D3, lost by a goal in overtime in the national title game.
2 time national coach of the year
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Joe Marsh. There isn't a coach in the nation who does more with less every single season, a program in the nation who wouldn't want him on board, or coach in the nation who doesn't respect him more. Within in 3 years of taking over a program that had been debating dropping to D3, lost by a goal in overtime in the national title game.
2 time national coach of the year
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JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Gopher coaches (with mn records) who I think deserve some consideration.
Don Lucia (9 yrs, 224-98-29, 2 NC), avg record: 25-11-3
Doug Woog (14 yrs, 390-187-40), avg record: 28-13-3
Brad Buetow (6 yrs, 171-75-8), avg record: 29-13-1
Herb Brooks (7 yrs, 167-97-18, 3 NC), avg record: 24-14-3
John Mariucci (13 yrs, 197-138-18), avg record: 15-11-1
Larry Armstrong (12 yrs, 125-54-10), avg record: 10-5-1
Emil Iverson (8 yrs, 82-20-11), avg record: 10-3-1
Gopher coaches (with mn records) who I think deserve some consideration.
Don Lucia (9 yrs, 224-98-29, 2 NC), avg record: 25-11-3
Doug Woog (14 yrs, 390-187-40), avg record: 28-13-3
Brad Buetow (6 yrs, 171-75-8), avg record: 29-13-1
Herb Brooks (7 yrs, 167-97-18, 3 NC), avg record: 24-14-3
John Mariucci (13 yrs, 197-138-18), avg record: 15-11-1
Larry Armstrong (12 yrs, 125-54-10), avg record: 10-5-1
Emil Iverson (8 yrs, 82-20-11), avg record: 10-3-1
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Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Nominations
Nominations
For coaches that never won a NCAA championship I nominate the following:
Len Ceglarski
Jack Riley
Dick Umile
Joe Marsh
Edward Jeremiah
Tim Whitehead
Enrico Blasi
And because I’d like to see where he comes in, Harry Cleverly.
Sean
Nominations
For coaches that never won a NCAA championship I nominate the following:
Len Ceglarski
Jack Riley
Dick Umile
Joe Marsh
Edward Jeremiah
Tim Whitehead
Enrico Blasi
And because I’d like to see where he comes in, Harry Cleverly.
Sean
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Nominations
Re: Nominations
I'm going to second Joe Marsh. He knows how to give ECAC teams fits when they play SLU, and one could argue is the reason for a lot of the wins their team does get, even in down years.
Re: Nominations
I'm going to second Joe Marsh. He knows how to give ECAC teams fits when they play SLU, and one could argue is the reason for a lot of the wins their team does get, even in down years.
Driftryder
Gopher Hockey
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Doug Woog
edit: didn't see the nomination by JF Gophers
Doug Woog
edit: didn't see the nomination by JF Gophers
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Mike Adessa.
Insert RPI bedwetting here.
Mike Adessa.
Insert RPI bedwetting here.
Puck Swami
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Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
It will be interesting. Seems to me that the reason teams play the game is to win the big prize, and the college coaches that have won the most NCAA Titles are THE men for me, and that criteria should carry way more weight than wins, winning percentage or winning other hardware.
Here are my top 5:
1) Vic Heyliger won 6 NCs at Michigan, and he's the best coach in NCAA history in my mind. His teams dominated the '50s and he built the NCAA tournament with his efforts. Other people may downplay Michigan's accomplishments, due to the smaller amount of teams in that era, but I don't buy it. With concentrated talented, you still have to win and 6 NCAA crowns is still the gold standard of coaching in our sport until someone else beats it.
2) Denver's Murray Armstrong is #2 with 5 NCAA titles. Armstrong's teams dominated the '60s almost as tyranically as Michigan dominated the 50s. Armstrong also built a program at a smaller school with no strong previous history, no native talent pool, and far from the hotbeds of the sport. His early 60s Pioneer teams were probably the most dominant teams that ever played our game.
3) Jerry York, with 4 NCAA titles under his belt (3 at BC and 1 at BG) and he's the winningest active coach and will certiainly become the winningest coach of all time when he passes Ron Mason for all time wins. If he wins another NCAA title, he'll tie Armstrong in titles, but he would pass Armstrong with his other accomplishments.
4) Jack Parker is fourth - with 3 NCAA titles and 37 years behind the bench at BU, he's a solid legend. Second winningest active coach and third winningest coach of all time.
5) 5 coaches tie for 5th in my book - John MacInnes of Michigan Tech is a legend with 3 NCAA titles, building Michigan Tech into a '60s and '70s power, and doing it at a smaller technical school in an isolated location. Herb Brooks won three titles at Minnesota dominating the 70s, and Gino Gasparini also won 3 titles at UND inthe late 70s and 80s. And Bob Johnson won 3 at Wisconsin in the 70s and 80s, building that program. Of these five, MacInness is special to me because of the hurdles he faced, relative to Brooks, Johnson and Gasparini, who had more resources at their disposal. Ned Harkness won 3 as well, 1 at RPI and 2 at Cornell and is in the conversation.
It will be interesting. Seems to me that the reason teams play the game is to win the big prize, and the college coaches that have won the most NCAA Titles are THE men for me, and that criteria should carry way more weight than wins, winning percentage or winning other hardware.
Here are my top 5:
1) Vic Heyliger won 6 NCs at Michigan, and he's the best coach in NCAA history in my mind. His teams dominated the '50s and he built the NCAA tournament with his efforts. Other people may downplay Michigan's accomplishments, due to the smaller amount of teams in that era, but I don't buy it. With concentrated talented, you still have to win and 6 NCAA crowns is still the gold standard of coaching in our sport until someone else beats it.
2) Denver's Murray Armstrong is #2 with 5 NCAA titles. Armstrong's teams dominated the '60s almost as tyranically as Michigan dominated the 50s. Armstrong also built a program at a smaller school with no strong previous history, no native talent pool, and far from the hotbeds of the sport. His early 60s Pioneer teams were probably the most dominant teams that ever played our game.
3) Jerry York, with 4 NCAA titles under his belt (3 at BC and 1 at BG) and he's the winningest active coach and will certiainly become the winningest coach of all time when he passes Ron Mason for all time wins. If he wins another NCAA title, he'll tie Armstrong in titles, but he would pass Armstrong with his other accomplishments.
4) Jack Parker is fourth - with 3 NCAA titles and 37 years behind the bench at BU, he's a solid legend. Second winningest active coach and third winningest coach of all time.
5) 5 coaches tie for 5th in my book - John MacInnes of Michigan Tech is a legend with 3 NCAA titles, building Michigan Tech into a '60s and '70s power, and doing it at a smaller technical school in an isolated location. Herb Brooks won three titles at Minnesota dominating the 70s, and Gino Gasparini also won 3 titles at UND inthe late 70s and 80s. And Bob Johnson won 3 at Wisconsin in the 70s and 80s, building that program. Of these five, MacInness is special to me because of the hurdles he faced, relative to Brooks, Johnson and Gasparini, who had more resources at their disposal. Ned Harkness won 3 as well, 1 at RPI and 2 at Cornell and is in the conversation.
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Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
INCH did this a few years ago. I've been asking for a few years for them to do this over to see what would change but they are not into it right now. Obviously a lot has happened... Gwoz has won two. York has won two. Parker got one more and Comley got one more and joined a list of York and Harkness as the only 3 coaches to get a title at two different schools.
http://www.insidecollegehockey.com/7Archives/Features/coaches_0203.htm
Anyway, upon going back and looking at this one day I found some amazing things when comparing Jerry York's tenure at BC to the tenure of Herb Brooks at Minnesota.
About Herb:
- "No other coach has won three national championships in a six-season span as Herbie did from 1974-79."
Jerry York has a chance to do this if he can win one more in the three seasons.
- "Somehow, he never won the Spencer Penrose Award and was named WCHA Coach of the Year just once."
Strangely, York has never won a Penrose since moving to BC (he did win one in 1977 with Clarkson) and also has just one conference COTY award at BC.
It just struck me as something so darn similar. Compare the time York spent here at BC(16 years I believe) and the time Brooks spent at Minnesota (granted a much smaller 7 years?), and you have 0 Penroses, 1 COTY from their conference, and 3 national titles... each. Wow.
INCH did this a few years ago. I've been asking for a few years for them to do this over to see what would change but they are not into it right now. Obviously a lot has happened... Gwoz has won two. York has won two. Parker got one more and Comley got one more and joined a list of York and Harkness as the only 3 coaches to get a title at two different schools.
http://www.insidecollegehockey.com/7Archives/Features/coaches_0203.htm
Anyway, upon going back and looking at this one day I found some amazing things when comparing Jerry York's tenure at BC to the tenure of Herb Brooks at Minnesota.
About Herb:
- "No other coach has won three national championships in a six-season span as Herbie did from 1974-79."
Jerry York has a chance to do this if he can win one more in the three seasons.
- "Somehow, he never won the Spencer Penrose Award and was named WCHA Coach of the Year just once."
Strangely, York has never won a Penrose since moving to BC (he did win one in 1977 with Clarkson) and also has just one conference COTY award at BC.
It just struck me as something so darn similar. Compare the time York spent here at BC(16 years I believe) and the time Brooks spent at Minnesota (granted a much smaller 7 years?), and you have 0 Penroses, 1 COTY from their conference, and 3 national titles... each. Wow.