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The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

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Saw a post/tweet that US is sending the A-10 to the ISIS/L conflict. Looking for an article to confirm.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Obama's whole approach to the Middle East has left our traditional allies in the region wondering what the U.S. is thinking and whether we are an ally to be trusted. He's managed to make more enemies while also undermining what positive relationships we have in the region. He made a mess from the get go, making a visit to the Middle East early in his first term and pointedly skipping visiting our closest ally, Israel. It's hard to criticize Obama's policies in the region when he doesn't really seem to have any. So, I call trick question on you! :p
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelarious, Bob. Top notch.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Obama's whole approach to the Middle East has left our traditional allies in the region wondering what the U.S. is thinking and whether we are an ally to be trusted. He's managed to make more enemies while also undermining what positive relationships we have in the region. He made a mess from the get go, making a visit to the Middle East early in his first term and pointedly skipping visiting our closest ally, Israel. It's hard to criticize Obama's policies in the region when he doesn't really seem to have any. So, I call trick question on you! :p
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I've been critical of your posts in the past, Bob, for being overly vague, but I appreciate that you took a shot at it, and humor never hurts. I have to ask, though, what government do you believe were our allies in late 2008 but are now our enemies as a result of Obama's policies (or, as you say, lack of policies) ? And what positive relationships did we enjoy in late 2008 that have gone sour under Obama--and what is your evidence of that? What are the facts upon which you base your conclusions?
 
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burd said:
I've been critical of your posts in the past, Bob, for being overly vague, but I appreciate that you took a shot at it, and humor never hurts. I have to ask, though, what government do you believe were our allies in late 2008 but are now our enemies as a result of Obama's policies (or, as you say, lack of policies) ? And what positive relationships did we enjoy in late 2008 that have gone sour under Obama--and what is your evidence of that? What are the facts upon which you base your conclusions?
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Careful. There are some on here who feel persecuted when they are asked to be reasonably specific in their criticism and to support it with facts.
 
burd said:
I've been critical of your posts in the past, Bob, for being overly vague, but I appreciate that you took a shot at it, and humor never hurts. I have to ask, though, what government do you believe were our allies in late 2008 but are now our enemies as a result of Obama's policies (or, as you say, lack of policies) ? And what positive relationships did we enjoy in late 2008 that have gone sour under Obama--and what is your evidence of that? What are the facts upon which you base your conclusions?
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You're expecting a straight answer not couched in avoidance, without playing the martyr card nor deflection?
 
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Slap Shot said:
You're expecting a straight answer not couched in avoidance, without playing the martyr card nor deflection?
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A girl can always hope. With a little time and the help of google or right-leaning websites, I thought he would come up with something that might lead to a decent discussion.
 
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Slap Shot said:
You're expecting a straight answer not couched in avoidance, without playing the martyr card nor deflection?
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burd said:
A girl can always hope. With a little time and the help of google or right-leaning websites, I thought he would come up with something that might lead to a decent discussion.
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Let me help:

Not Bob Gray said:
If you can't see how Obama's poor policy-making has weakened our alliances in the Middle East, then I can't help you. The evidence is out there if you do a little research. Until then, there's no point in engaging each other further.
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Bob's in the same position most conservatives are, which is why I find his posts to be valuable. Vehement Obama opposition is great, but in any campaign, like 2012 or 2016, at some point you have to say what you would do, not "I disagree" 5,000 times. Recall Dems were on track to fall short yet again in the 2006 mid-terms until they finally came out against the war, a firm departure from Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld principles.

So when Mittens starting bleating about keeping US troops in Iraq and spending an extra 2T over 10 years on the military, he became a laughingstock which he still is despite all his poor sportsmanship of late. We've asked Bob, Opie, Fishy, and all other righties the same question - what would you do differently in the Middle East? Nobody's given us a coherent answer, leading me to believe nobody on the right has one.
 
Rover said:
Bob's in the same position most conservatives are, which is why I find his posts to be valuable. Vehement Obama opposition is great, but in any campaign, like 2012 or 2016, at some point you have to say what you would do, not "I disagree" 5,000 times. Recall Dems were on track to fall short yet again in the 2006 mid-terms until they finally came out against the war, a firm departure from Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld principles.

So when Mittens starting bleating about keeping US troops in Iraq and spending an extra 2T over 10 years on the military, he became a laughingstock which he still is despite all his poor sportsmanship of late. We've asked Bob, Opie, Fishy, and all other righties the same question - what would you do differently in the Middle East? Nobody's given us a coherent answer, leading me to believe nobody on the right has one.
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Stay on the sidelines. If we feel it is in the national interest to get involved, do so by proxy.
 
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burd said:
I've been critical of your posts in the past, Bob, for being overly vague, but I appreciate that you took a shot at it, and humor never hurts. I have to ask, though, what government do you believe were our allies in late 2008 but are now our enemies as a result of Obama's policies (or, as you say, lack of policies) ? And what positive relationships did we enjoy in late 2008 that have gone sour under Obama--and what is your evidence of that? What are the facts upon which you base your conclusions?
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I didn't say that we had turned allies into enemies, but that our relationships with traditional allies in the region have been undermined. The two most obvious are Israel, which I had already mentioned, and Saudi Arabia. The weakening of our relationship with Israel is the most obvious. It's been in the news in various forms for years, but here's a poll that just came out that shows just how little the Israeli's trust Obama.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Poll-finds-Israelis-dont-trust-Obama-Abbas-377936

More Israelis find Abbas to be a worthy partner for peace talks than consider Obama a true friend of Israel. 74 percent don't trust Obama to manage U.S. policy in the Middle East. It's occurring on several levels, with both a seeming bitter animosity between Obama and Netanyahu and both governments sniping at each other regularly. I've never seen anything close to it under any other U.S. administration, whether Dem or Rep.

On the Saudis, the falling out has also been well documented. Here's a Guardian article for example:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/28/barack-obama-saudi-arabia-syria-iran
 
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