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The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

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there are plenty of effective ways to take out ISIS that do not involve the US using its own ground troops, people. sheesh.

this simply seems to me one "red line" that we simply must enforce. they beheaded a US journalist explicitly to intimidate us into leaving. If such an act is allowed to stand unchallenged, how can any US citizen ever be safe overseas again?
 
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FreshFish said:
there are plenty of effective ways to take out ISIS that do not involve the US using its own ground troops, people. sheesh.

this simply seems to me one "red line" that we simply must enforce. they beheaded a US journalist explicitly to intimidate us into leaving. If such an act is allowed to stand unchallenged, how can any US citizen ever be safe overseas again?

Notice how this kind of sh^t never happens to the Russians? ever wonder why? :rolleyes:

am I the only person here who stood up to the school bully? did the rest of you cave when threatened with a physical beating? how did that work out for you? did he leave you alone after that??
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Ummm, Mr Rambo, if I can have a moment of your time....

ISIS beheaded the guy BECAUSE we were bombing the sh ! t out of them. Not because we were doing nothing. Are you truly this stupid to think the US will now stop bombing them because of this? ISIS is already being challenged and from this action a sane person can reason that they're taking serious losses by resorting to this desparate action.

BTW - I have no doubt you got your @ ss kicked on a regular basis by bullies in school....and that's not even counting the male bullies. :D :D But please, keep the tough guy routine going for all of our amusement if you don't mind. :rolleyes:
 
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Bob Gray said:
Kinda like people always moaned about Bush spending too much time at his ranch in Texas, eh?
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Not even comparable.

FreshFish said:
there are plenty of effective ways to take out ISIS that do not involve the US using its own ground troops, people. sheesh.

this simply seems to me one "red line" that we simply must enforce. they beheaded a US journalist explicitly to intimidate us into leaving. If such an act is allowed to stand unchallenged, how can any US citizen ever be safe overseas again?

Notice how this kind of sh^t never happens to the Russians? ever wonder why? :rolleyes:

am I the only person here who stood up to the school bully? did the rest of you cave when threatened with a physical beating? how did that work out for you? did he leave you alone after that??
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*whack* *whack* *whack*
 
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Rover said:
But please, keep the tough guy routine going for all of our amusement if you don't mind. :rolleyes:
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tough guy routine...behind a computer screen...camouflaged in white text. Real impressive :p.
 
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The beheading of journalist James Foley has prompted American officials to begin working to knit together a broader international campaign to combat the extremists of the Islamic State, an effort that the Pentagon warned will require taking the fight beyond Iraq and into neighboring Syria.

The Obama administration has indicated it is prepared to continue selective airstrikes against the extremists inside Iraq, where they have seized significant swaths of territory. But Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned that the Islamic State, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, can't be defeated without choking off its operations in Syria.

"And that will come when we have a coalition in the region that takes on the task of defeating ISIS over time," he said at a Pentagon press conference, where he appeared with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.
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How about that, the administration is going to try to assemble a coalition of the willing to fight terrorists in Iraq....
 
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FreshFish said:
They beheaded a US journalist explicitly to intimidate us into leaving.
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I do not think this is correct. We had already left. They beheaded a US journalist to get the US to make threats of returning which they can then use to rally more support among people who hated the US occupation. They are trying to broaden their base of support because their end game is to be an actual state, the successor to the Ottoman Caliphate that was abolished in 1924.

You made the schoolyard bully example. Do you let the schoolyard bully control the terms of where and when you'll fight him, or do you keep your options open and fight him under the best possible conditions?

Although I think the schoolyard bully analogy is facile, I'll counter with another one: don't let the little head rule the big head.
 
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the question "what should we do about isis?" is not the same as the question "do we want to go back to iraq?" one is about facing up to an extreme and immediate challenge, which we have to do. The other is about returning to an old experience, which almost no one wants to do.
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qft.
 
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Agreed.

Not sure why some insist on conflating them.
 
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Kepler said:
They beheaded a US journalist to get the US to make threats of returning which they can then use to rally more support among people who hated the US occupation.
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This. That is why terrorist policies are so often used--they have a double benefit. They inspire fear and that fear motivates behaviors they can use as a recruitment tool, which is probably the more valuable benefit to them. Why would an islamist terrorist organization plan a major hit on American soil after 9-11 when they could lure us into situations where we cause death and destruction to the homes and cities where their recruits (or the people with whom their recruits identify) live? We kill 5 civilians and 10 line up to wear a bomb vest.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No, not exact. Compare the numbers.
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Does anybody really think that a president's vacation is actually a vacation? Instead of three or four hours a day to himself and/or his family he's probably getting eight while "on vacation" with the rest of the time split between sleep and governing, and he doesn't have to do it from the White House.
 
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Kepler said:
Do you let the schoolyard bully control the terms of where and when you'll fight him, or do you keep your options open and fight him under the best possible conditions?
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Which of those options was available to us on September 11, 2001?


Now we face a more ruthless organization with far more money, more people, and better resources.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No, not exact. Compare the numbers.
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Not exactly in the numbers, exactly in that it was a bad rap on Bush, too.

When presidents are on "vacation" they aren't on "vacation." Even Reagan, the most famously lazy of all our recent presidents, brought staff on vacation and worked as hard as when he was in DC. I don't think it's a stretch to say presidents may actually work far more efficiently on vacation since they don't have to do all the BS that comes with the trappings.

The same people who are hung up on Obama in a golf cart loved them some Reagan on a horse, and vice-versa. I'm not much for drawing equivalences between the GOP and Dems since there is a fundamental difference in the lack of vision, intellect, and morality of the former, however in this case it's just an easy, dumb jab. Dubya wasn't a failure because he took lots of vacations; he was a failure because he didn't take more of them.
 
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