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The end of leagues as we know?
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bigblue_dl
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Re: The end of leagues as we know?
So what happens with the pieces leftover? There is no way in hell a conference with 2 trips to AK, three UP teams, a team from Ohio and one from Alabama can be sustainable on these schools budgets, no way in hell. I think there will be another split, with 2-4 teams left out completely, to die. I would guess a conference of SCSU, BSU, MSU-M, MTU, NMU, and LSSU. If they can figure out travel so that there is only one trip/year, then throw the 2 Alaska schools in there too. BGSU, FSU, and UAH would be left to rot.
So what happens with the pieces leftover? There is no way in hell a conference with 2 trips to AK, three UP teams, a team from Ohio and one from Alabama can be sustainable on these schools budgets, no way in hell. I think there will be another split, with 2-4 teams left out completely, to die. I would guess a conference of SCSU, BSU, MSU-M, MTU, NMU, and LSSU. If they can figure out travel so that there is only one trip/year, then throw the 2 Alaska schools in there too. BGSU, FSU, and UAH would be left to rot.
dggoddard
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Re: The end of leagues as we know?
Wonder if this means that Colorado Springs will be the "home" of the conference? Its already the home of USA Hockey, so there might be some good synergy there.
I'm pretty sure Findlay took out their ice plant I believe.
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Priceless
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Re: The end of leagues as we know?
I didn't say it was. It is a reason WMU is being invited though.
I didn't say it was. It is a reason WMU is being invited though.
Re: The end of leagues as we know?
So besides the losers let's look at what schools might benefit from all this reshuffling since they have the potential to come out better from all this.
MSU-M. They now have room to start up a program we shall see.
UAH may finally have a conference to go to now.
Robert Morris, Niagara, and Mercyhurst can maybe join up with remaining CCHA teams and be in a league that allows 18 scholarships.
A potential of spot opening up in Atlantic Hockey for Navy or URI to fill if they go in.
Now would also be as good as time if any for Syracuse if they decided to add a mens team.
So besides the losers let's look at what schools might benefit from all this reshuffling since they have the potential to come out better from all this.
MSU-M. They now have room to start up a program we shall see.
UAH may finally have a conference to go to now.
Robert Morris, Niagara, and Mercyhurst can maybe join up with remaining CCHA teams and be in a league that allows 18 scholarships.
A potential of spot opening up in Atlantic Hockey for Navy or URI to fill if they go in.
Now would also be as good as time if any for Syracuse if they decided to add a mens team.
dggoddard
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Re: The end of leagues as we know?
I'm guessing that Notre Dame is still in play and they couldn't get approval in time.
Either way Notre Dame still holds the cards.
You'd have to think the plan is to bring in either Notre Dame & Western Michigan OR St. Cloud and Mankato. An eight team conference solves a lot of non-conference scheduling headaches.
I'm guessing that Notre Dame is still in play and they couldn't get approval in time.
Either way Notre Dame still holds the cards.
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bigblue_dl
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Re: The end of leagues as we know?
Hopefully about 2000 people show up to the Frozen 4 in Tampa.
Hopefully about 2000 people show up to the Frozen 4 in Tampa.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: The end of leagues as we know?
Bowling Green sucks, and the program just barely survived the budget ax a few years ago. I doubt any of the teams involved wanted to deal with that. UMass is already in HEA and has no travel partner.
Bowling Green sucks, and the program just barely survived the budget ax a few years ago. I doubt any of the teams involved wanted to deal with that. UMass is already in HEA and has no travel partner.
Re: The end of leagues as we know?
OK - I guess I don't get it. These leagues realize that in general 1/2 the teams finish below .500 and somebody must be last each year? They also realize that there is still only one autobid per conference?
The B1G mistake
They have OSU and Penn State (5 & 6) as punching bags and MSU (normally 4th but occasionally 1,2 or 3) will be up and down as it was in the CCHA probably a bit more down. Then looking at the consistency track records Michigan will be 1 or 2 every year with Wisco and the Goofers fighting for the occasional 1 but most 2 & 3.
BHHC
So we have UND, DU, CC, Miami, Western and UNO. The 1st 4 have been doing well where their at, the last 2 are on the rise. Who gets stuck in the basement? Other than Western nobody else has spent much time there as of late. Somebodies fans base is going to be very unhappy. Looks great for recruiting until you have in the bottom 2 for 5 straight years and your fans all check out.
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There is a reason why Hockey East added teams. It wasn't out of the goodness of the original members hearts. When you add new programs to a league the guys who were on the bottom see a chance to stick somebody else down there that is why I see it happening.
Everybody says it is for the money. I don’t see a magic pot of gold out there in College Hockey. B1G mistake is different because they are massive schools with programmed lemming fan bases that care more about conference titles the national titles. That allows them to have a network and hence they need hockey for programming otherwise they wouldn’t care about hockey.
Honestly I think HE has the best model. Simply because it is a bus league cutting travel cost way down. That leaves money for other program or University needs. I think there is a chance this foolishness set in motion by B1G bylaws (& network) and being driven by UND & DU hysteria will help college hockey. If the small school left overs can put together a league (or 2 with the Atlantic teams that want to spend) with more reasonable travel costs they may survive. If you get 6 teams you get an Autobid which will be great for the little guys.
OK - I guess I don't get it. These leagues realize that in general 1/2 the teams finish below .500 and somebody must be last each year? They also realize that there is still only one autobid per conference?
The B1G mistake
They have OSU and Penn State (5 & 6) as punching bags and MSU (normally 4th but occasionally 1,2 or 3) will be up and down as it was in the CCHA probably a bit more down. Then looking at the consistency track records Michigan will be 1 or 2 every year with Wisco and the Goofers fighting for the occasional 1 but most 2 & 3.
BHHC
So we have UND, DU, CC, Miami, Western and UNO. The 1st 4 have been doing well where their at, the last 2 are on the rise. Who gets stuck in the basement? Other than Western nobody else has spent much time there as of late. Somebodies fans base is going to be very unhappy. Looks great for recruiting until you have in the bottom 2 for 5 straight years and your fans all check out.
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There is a reason why Hockey East added teams. It wasn't out of the goodness of the original members hearts. When you add new programs to a league the guys who were on the bottom see a chance to stick somebody else down there that is why I see it happening.
Everybody says it is for the money. I don’t see a magic pot of gold out there in College Hockey. B1G mistake is different because they are massive schools with programmed lemming fan bases that care more about conference titles the national titles. That allows them to have a network and hence they need hockey for programming otherwise they wouldn’t care about hockey.
Honestly I think HE has the best model. Simply because it is a bus league cutting travel cost way down. That leaves money for other program or University needs. I think there is a chance this foolishness set in motion by B1G bylaws (& network) and being driven by UND & DU hysteria will help college hockey. If the small school left overs can put together a league (or 2 with the Atlantic teams that want to spend) with more reasonable travel costs they may survive. If you get 6 teams you get an Autobid which will be great for the little guys.
Re: The end of leagues as we know?
Im just saying how much the Mac sucks. They cant even stick together.
Im just saying how much the Mac sucks. They cant even stick together.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: The end of leagues as we know?
Schools like SCSU and MSU-Mankato were given a shot when they joined the WCHA (and I remember when each joined).
Why haven't they developed "fly on their own" programs? Or is it just easier to ride along in a league.
SCSU and MSU-M should be ****ed at themselves. The only one I feel sorry for is BSU.
Schools like SCSU and MSU-Mankato were given a shot when they joined the WCHA (and I remember when each joined).
Why haven't they developed "fly on their own" programs? Or is it just easier to ride along in a league.
SCSU and MSU-M should be ****ed at themselves. The only one I feel sorry for is BSU.
SiouxFanatic
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Re: The end of leagues as we know?
I can't say I'm a fan of this new conference idea. I really wish this was just a move to remove Bruce McLeod as WCHA commissioner. The WCHA without him would be a step up just from his removal alone.
One thing I notice is everyone vilifying UND and pitting all the blame/pending doom of college hockey on UND. Say what you want but this all directly precipitated from the formation of BTHC. The formation lead the other power WCHA schools into a panic in regards to remaining competitive etc. etc.(reasons that have been listed numerous times)
There are many schools involved that can be blamed yet all I see is people mainly blaming the messenger.
Whether this panic is actually warranted or not, I don't know and I'm not going to argue about it.
In the end, I think all of this is bull**** and I'd rather not see this "super conference" come to fruition.
I can't say I'm a fan of this new conference idea. I really wish this was just a move to remove Bruce McLeod as WCHA commissioner. The WCHA without him would be a step up just from his removal alone.
One thing I notice is everyone vilifying UND and pitting all the blame/pending doom of college hockey on UND. Say what you want but this all directly precipitated from the formation of BTHC. The formation lead the other power WCHA schools into a panic in regards to remaining competitive etc. etc.(reasons that have been listed numerous times)
There are many schools involved that can be blamed yet all I see is people mainly blaming the messenger.
Whether this panic is actually warranted or not, I don't know and I'm not going to argue about it.
In the end, I think all of this is bull**** and I'd rather not see this "super conference" come to fruition.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: The end of leagues as we know?
50 years of tradition, pissed down the drain in two months of greed and panic.
50 years of tradition, pissed down the drain in two months of greed and panic.
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