The Dead thread - God sorts 'em out!

[The Rube]

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Flags will be at half staff tomorrow along Elm Street in Potsdam, NY.

Elm St, blah blah blah. Scream was his masterpiece, IMO. Creepy, a bit scary, and all the satire. Brilliant movie.

 

[Kepler]

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Elm St, blah blah blah. Scream was his masterpiece, IMO. Creepy, a bit scary, and all the satire. Brilliant movie.

I agree that Scream was his best, but the original Elm Street is a great horror movie. The Hills Have Eyes was original; Red Eye had a wonderful set up but the wind-up was lousy.

 

[MadTownSioux]

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John Noah, UND Hockey Legend. First All-American, First UND Olympian.

 

[The Rube]

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I agree that Scream was his best, but the original Elm Street is a great horror movie. The Hills Have Eyes was original; Red Eye had a wonderful set up but the wind-up was lousy.

Wasn't trying to rip on it, but I thought it was over-rated a little. I guess because it is THAT well-known, people also think it was his best. It wasn't.

 

[Kepler]

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Wasn't trying to rip on it, but I thought it was over-rated a little. I guess because it is THAT well-known, people also think it was his best. It wasn't.

Scream isn't well known?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Wasn't trying to rip on it, but I thought it was over-rated a little. I guess because it is THAT well-known, people also think it was his best. It wasn't.

Disagree. The original NOES was Craven's best, and also the best of that era of slasher flicks. The fact that it somewhat deviated from the basic "stalker with a sharp instrument" formula gives it brownie points in my book.

I'll grant you, it became an over-long franchise with gag kills. The third movie, Dream Warriors, was decent comedy-horror in its own right though.

The first Scream film is alright, tries a bit too hard at times.

 

[The Rube]

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Scream isn't well known?

It is, but Nightmare was the one that most people consider Craven's "signature" piece.

Related: most people of my generation consider "Goodfellas" as Scorcese's sig piece, while I think maybe "Gangs Of New York" is the sig piece for the next generation.

 

[Kepler]

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It is, but Nightmare was the one that most people consider Craven's "signature" piece.

Related: most people of my generation consider "Goodfellas" as Scorcese's sig piece, while I think maybe "Gangs Of New York" is the sig piece for the next generation.

People should be able to see past their generation, and anybody who puts either of those movies above Taxi Driver or Raging Bull is either an uneducated filmgoer or an imbecile.

 

[The Rube]

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People should be able to see past their generation, and anybody who puts either of those movies above Taxi Driver or Raging Bull is either an uneducated filmgoer or an imbecile.

Goodfellas is above those, IMO. Yes, I've seen them. GoNY is on par with both of those, also.

Frankly, an underrated Scorcese movie is Bringing Out The Dead. Friggin' AWESOME character study movie.

 

[Kepler]

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Goodfellas is above those, IMO. Yes, I've seen them. GoNY is on par with both of those, also.

Good lord. Those movies are great entertainment, but they're bubble gum. Scorcese made a decision at a certain point to stop challenging either himself or his audience, and that's fine, but let's not confuse Nicholas Sparks with William Faulkner.

 

[The Rube]

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Good lord. Those movies are great entertainment, but they're bubble gum. Scorcese made a decision at a certain point to stop challenging either himself or his audience, and that's fine, but let's not confuse Nicholas Sparks with William Faulkner.

Goodfellas....some of the dialogue he never changed from the actual recorded (wiretaps/interviews) dialogue. He just directed the behavior around it a little. It generally is considered darn near a documentary. I also read the book it was based on (Wiseguy). Scorsese to character study is like Kevin Smith or Tarantino to dialogue. In those aspects, all are brilliant. It's not always about the main storyline. It's the cogs in that storyline.

GoNY...I can see your argument. I liked it a ton because the actors actually did such a tremendous job overall, it elevated the script. It was indeed an epic story being told.

 

[Kepler]

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Goodfellas....some of the dialogue he never changed from the actual recorded (wiretaps/interviews) dialogue. He just directed the behavior around it a little. It generally is considered darn near a documentary. I also read the book it was based on (Wiseguy). Scorsese to character study is like Kevin Smith or Tarantino to dialogue. In those aspects, all are brilliant. It's not always about the main storyline. It's the cogs in that storyline.

GoNY...I can see your argument. I liked it a ton because the actors actually did such a tremendous job overall, it elevated the script. It was indeed an epic story being told.

I highly recommend you picking up the book GoNY was based on. I loved it -- it is spectacularly funny (and sad) and fascinating to see how things were done in 19th C NYC. It will also destroy forever any romantic notions about our ancestors coming to these shores. They were every bit as grasping, nasty, violent, disgusting and infinitely creative in their criminality as any wave of immigrants at any time. If Pat Buchanon could internalize the actuality of Irish immigration he would never say another mean word about the browns.

I'll admit I view gangster movies as almost always piffle, so I have a bias against Goodfellas, Casino, etc. The only organized crime movie that I think deserves to be called real art is the original GF. Even the sequel, which is a vastly entertaining movie, is still (IMO) scenery-chewing.

 

[The Rube]

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I highly recommend you picking up the book GoNY was based on. I loved it -- it is spectacularly funny (and sad) and fascinating to see how things were done in 19th C NYC. It will also destroy forever any romantic notions about our ancestors coming to these shores. They were every bit as grasping, nasty, violent, disgusting and infinitely creative in their criminality as any wave of immigrants at any time. If Pat Buchanon could internalize the actuality of Irish immigration he would never say another mean word about the browns.

I will. I have a little knowledge on Hell-Cat Maggie, but would prefer researched stories, rather than hearsay and such. I don't have ANY romanticized notions of those who came over on the boat. Sh* was tough back then for the Irish. Real tough.

 

[Kepler]

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I will. I have a little knowledge on Hell-Cat Maggie, but would prefer researched stories, rather than hearsay and such. I don't have ANY romanticized notions of those who came over on the boat. Sh* was tough back then for the Irish. Real tough.

Yep. Immigrants fight to win. They have to.

 

[The Rube]

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Yep. Immigrants fight to win. They have to.

Late July, a bunch of us Gopher fans did a mine tour in the Upper Peninsula (MI). The history of the immigrants mining and such...brutal.

 

[Kepler]

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Late July, a bunch of us Gopher fans did a mine tour in the Upper Peninsula (MI). The history of the immigrants mining and such...brutal.

I can imagine. My family has stories of the first waves of Central Europeans coming over to the coal fields and steel mills of Pennsylvania that would make your hair stand on end. Real heartbreaking stuff -- people who traded everything to bribe their way across half of Europe, then across the ocean, and then across (at that time) a third of the settled portion of North America, only to show up, be treated like subhuman garbage, and start all over again at zero. And the stories have everything -- drunkenness, rape, prostitution, domestic violence, all at the hands of the sweetheart American citizens who happened to get there one generation earlier. Really makes you want to strike up the band to our forefathers' nobility, let me tell you.

I wish everybody knew that all waves of immigration have proceeded exactly the same way. The only difference is the farther in the past, the better the whitewashing.

 

[The Rube]

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I can imagine. My family has stories of the first waves of Central Europeans coming over to the coal fields and steel mills of Pennsylvania that would make your hair stand on end. Real heartbreaking stuff -- people who traded everything to bribe their way across half of Europe, then across the ocean, and then across (at that time) a third of the settled portion of North America, only to show up, be treated like subhuman garbage, and start all over again at zero. And the stories have everything -- drunkenness, rape, prostitution, domestic violence, all at the hands of the sweetheart American citizens who happened to get there one generation earlier. Really makes you want to strike up the band to our forefathers' nobility, let me tell you.

I wish everybody knew that all waves of immigration have proceeded exactly the same way. The only difference is the farther in the past, the better the whitewashing.

And makes me mad when some ethnicities think that all "whites" were the same. No, not even close. (not starting a political/social rant here, or at least not trying to). Back then, an immigrant was an immigrant. Plain and simple.

 

[Kepler]

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And makes me mad when some ethnicities think that all "whites" were the same. No, not even close. (not starting a political/social rant here, or at least not trying to). Back then, an immigrant was an immigrant. Plain and simple.

There's actually a really interesting discipline all about how/when different groups get to be "white." For example, Italians weren't "white" until the 40s. Eastern Europeans and Jews weren't until the 20's. The Irish weren't "white" in the 19th century. Arabs used to be white but during the wars the herpa-derps decided they were "sand n-ggers." Race is about politics more than skin tone.

 

[The Rube]

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There's actually a really interesting discipline all about how/when different groups get to be "white." For example, Italians weren't "white" until the 40s. Eastern Europeans and Jews weren't until the 20's. The Irish weren't "white" in the 19th century. Arabs used to be white but during the wars the herpa-derps decided they were "sand n-ggers." Race is about politics more than skin tone.

I want to make a comment, but it would queue up a pol/social culture discussion, which will lead to trouble, and I don't want that. I sent an email, ignore or respond at your whim.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Brent preferred Gangs of New York because the central character was a Mick.

Nothing wrong with that, just sayin'...