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The Beginning of new hockey leagues

Re: The Beginning of new hockey leagues

Shirtless Guy said:
"The practice of allowing schools to sponsor a single sport in a different division would be eliminated, except in sports where no championship is conducted in its division. Divisions II and III schools currently taking advantage of this opportunity would not affected unless they fail to conduct the sport in Division I for any ensuing year."
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...s+legislation+for+new+DI+membership+standards
Also: "The proposal will be considered as part of the regular legislative cycle, with an effective date of August 1, 2011. Schools already in the reclassification process will not be affected by the change."
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I believe this ruling has more to do with basketball then anything else. So many schools jump to DIV I in that sport to get a slice of the big money NCAA tourney.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
There's no D2 Championship for hockey, so they wave that rule. They would have to gut too many schools from D1 hockey for D2 championship to work, and if they're going to force the D2 playups down, they could also force the D3 play ups back to D3 as well. That means about an eight team D1 playoff, and a lot of schools that are not happy at all in being regulated down.
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Everyone before the legislation was grandfathered...so forcing the current playups down was never an issue, the question was can new DII schools play up. As far as I can tell the answer has always been YES when it comes to hockey. Wonder if we'll ever see the Northeast-10 play up as a group as a AHA type league...
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Everyone before the legislation was grandfathered...so forcing the current playups down was never an issue, the question was can new DII schools play up. As far as I can tell the answer has always been YES when it comes to hockey. Wonder if we'll ever see the Northeast-10 play up as a group as a AHA type league...
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They've seemed happy to just stick around, playing a D-III schedule for cost containment. Probably more for the scholarships than anything else. They'd certainly be able to get plenty of non-conference matchups without traveling too far.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
2. Is Minnesota part of the Big Ten? Did the Big Ten start all of these conference vibrations? Ergo, Minnesota fingerprints on floodgate.
2a. Also, couldn't the Big Ten have changed their "six teams means we play as Big Ten" rule for hockey and stopped all conference shuffling and "death of college hockey" talk? It's just a Big Ten rule, they could change their rule. Or, we know Big Ten teams are really good at forgetting/ignoring rules (see: Ohio State football) so why didn't they.
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More deflection.

goldy_331 said:
Wow, just wow. And to think I used to consider you a fairly rational Sue fan....:rolleyes:
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Indeed.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
They've seemed happy to just stick around, playing a D-III schedule for cost containment. Probably more for the scholarships than anything else. They'd certainly be able to get plenty of non-conference matchups without traveling too far.
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Yeah, when I posted that I didn't realize there was only 4 of them. Maybe if they had 6 they would play-up. Although now that I look closer...UMass-Lowell, Bentley, AIC, and Merrimack are members of the Northeast-10 that chose to play up way back when so the Northeast-10 could have a conference just by adding Bentley and AIC from the AHA.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
There's no D2 Championship for hockey, so they wave that rule. They would have to gut too many schools from D1 hockey for D2 championship to work, and if they're going to force the D2 playups down, they could also force the D3 play ups back to D3 as well. That means about an eight team D1 playoff, and a lot of schools that are not happy at all in being regulated down.
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psst, I was making fun of MSU-Moorhead's ineptitude
 
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Slap Shot said:
More deflection.
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More denial by the Big Tenners. If college hockey is Caesar, I'll claim some blood on the hands; however, "et tu Brute".

Then again, seems we're hearing of MSU-Moorhead possibly jumping in the hockey pool. Will UND get credit for adding to hockey if that happens?
 
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The Sicatoka said:
No, but they're presumably getting a spot in the WCHA that UND opened up for them.
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Actually, since the conference was at 12, and Minnesota and Wisconsin left, sending it back to 10. Using your ****ed up logic, MN and WI get this credit.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
No, but they're presumably getting a spot in the WCHA that UND opened up for them.

UND created opportunity for college hockey expansion.
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If you want to think about it in those terms: the CCHA was holding open the door for college hockey expansion by denying UAH admission two years ago.

Anastos can't help it if the B1G schools decided to walk out while he was holding the door open...
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Actually, since the conference was at 12, and Minnesota and Wisconsin left, sending it back to 10. Using your ****ed up logic, MN and WI get this credit.
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No, no. The WCHA meeting in April voted to pursue Notre Dame and Miami for those two vacancies. That was a status-quo, no expansion manuver.

UND created opportunity for college hockey expansion.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
No, no. The WCHA meeting in April voted to pursue Notre Dame and Miami for those two vacancies. That was a status-quo, no expansion manuver.

UND created opportunity for college hockey expansion.
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Those offers obviously weren't accepted. To assume what would happen after that is a crapshoot. Notre Dame could have gone east.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Those offers obviously weren't accepted. To assume what would happen after that is a crapshoot. Notre Dame could have gone east.
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But the offers were a status quo move. If NDU and MoOH had jumped to the WCHA maybe they get credit for creating opportunity for college hockey expansion (in CCHA). Instead ...

UND created opportunity for college hockey expansion.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
No, no. The WCHA meeting in April voted to pursue Notre Dame and Miami for those two vacancies. That was a status-quo, no expansion manuver.

UND created opportunity for college hockey expansion.
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"(sniffle)Yeah but! But! No! I can't (sniffle) spin that to make UND look bad (sniffle)!"
 
Re: The Beginning of new hockey leagues

The Sicatoka said:
But the offers were a status quo move. If NDU and MoOH had jumped to the WCHA maybe they get credit for creating opportunity for college hockey expansion (in CCHA). Instead ...

UND created opportunity for college hockey expansion.
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If you're not willing to take the blame for dismantling the WCHA than you get no credit for anything...
 
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