The Barr Has Been Raised at UMaine

[ticapnews]

Barr isn't going anywhere. Aside from his own belief in himself and his ability to build a winner, he has close ties to the Athletics Director. The only way he might consider leaving is if someone offered him a dream job and that's not in the cards.

But keep your dreams of Zombie Shawn Walsh alive!

 

[walrus]

Good win after the showing on Friday. Looks like the 1st line is ok, after that not much though. Would have liked to see a sweep but they got one anyway.

 

[BoSox3066]

Barr isn't going anywhere. Aside from his own belief in himself and his ability to build a winner, he has close ties to the Athletics Director. The only way he might consider leaving is if someone offered him a dream job and that's not in the cards.

But keep your dreams of Zombie Shawn Walsh alive!

two zombie shawn walsh posts are arguably just as bizarre as Drew’s drivel about Barr leaving.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Barr isn't going anywhere. Aside from his own belief in himself and his ability to build a winner, he has close ties to the Athletics Director. The only way he might consider leaving is if someone offered him a dream job and that's not in the cards.

This. His "dream job" - until/unless he returns to his alma mater - is the one he's got right now.

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

two zombie shawn walsh posts are arguably just as bizarre as Drew’s drivel about Barr leaving.

I can only speak for myself but: THANK YOU/+1...I was going to echo what you said...those two just go off on anything on their Soap Box, sadly they lower themselves each and every time...they are entitled to their opinion but after a while garbage is garbage...

 

[Runsub5]

Third period last night was probably their best all year. Very tenacious on the puck!! I was at the game and was surprised to see Androlowiecz (sp.) start. Obviously the coaching staff has seen progress by him in practice and they weren't disappointed. He wasn't severely challenged but did a good job. Brady Risk picking up the penalty leading to a 5 on 3 which led to the tying goal was a turning point in the game.

 

[umhockey91]

Maine up to #52 in the Pairwise......7 teams below them now including Vermont.

On a side note.....how the hell did Cornell sweep North Dakota out in Grand Forks?

 

[KrbFlint]

Nobody on here was surprised when Harasymiak left for greener pastures. It made perfect sense for a 31YO coach to play a hot hand when he did.

FBS/FCS is pretty much the same difference as D-1A/D-1AA, and it's playing semantics to suggest otherwise. The terminology has changed, but the reality on the ground, not so much. (Even a run of the mill FBS team such as Rutgers would go 12-0 at the FCS level pretty much every year, for example.)

This job is a major step up for Joe, no two ways about it. I wish him luck, and will follow his career. He sure helped Maine get back in the National picture.

A number of people questioned why he would make a “lateral move” (that term was used lol). And you’re correct, FBS/FCS is exactly 1A/1AA. My only point was that FCS/1AA is, in fact, D1. In reality, it’s no different than major vs mid-major in hoops.

 

[Fishman'81]

Maine up to #52 in the Pairwise......7 teams below them now including Vermont.

On a side note.....how the hell did Cornell sweep North Dakota out in Grand Forks?

They cheated. ;-)

 

[Sean Pickett]

As bad as the record is, the performances have been much, much worse. Like I said in my other post what happened last night has happened twice in 20 years. There have been at least half a dozen other absolutely shocking performances as well.

I was going to let this lie, but the more I thought about the post you reference the more I thought I should reply. Here is your original post:

I was curious how often Maine has given up six even strength goals at the Alford and I could only find two games it’s happened in the last 20 years. Once was a few years ago the night after thanksgiving against a very good Quinnipiac team and the other time Dave Wilson was in goal.

I always recall my father saying there are lies, damn lies and statistics. I've worked with college hockey stats for a long time and your statement is one of the more egregious use of stats. Maine has given up 6+ goals at Alfond numerous times in the past several seasons, including their only game there last season. However, you discount most of those games because some of the goals were scored on the powerplay. Even then, there are 2 games you couldn't dismiss using your very limited parameters, but you try to excuse those because 1) Quinnipiac was a very good team and 2) you imply the other time is solely the goalie's fault and even name him. I find that uncalled for, especially since you didn't call out the goalie who gave up the 7 goals to Quinnipiac.

The truth is that Maine hasn't been a good team for a decade and it will take a few seasons to rebuild if all goes well. A bad game like the Alaska game is just that, a bad game. I don't know if Coach Barr is the answer for Maine, but I do know it will take a few seasons before it will be possible to begin to answer that question. Coach Walsh had two losing seasons before his first winning season. And even with his winning records his 3rd and 4th seasons he only had a .500 cumulative coaching record after four seasons.

Sean

 

[Jackcurtis23]

I was going to let this lie, but the more I thought about the post you reference the more I thought I should reply. Here is your original post:

I always recall my father saying there are lies, damn lies and statistics. I've worked with college hockey stats for a log time and your statement is one of the more egregious use of stats. Maine has given up 6+ goals at Alfond numerous times in the past several seasons, including their only game there last season. However, you discount most of those games because some of the goals were scored on the powerplay. Even then, there are 2 games you couldn't dismiss using your very limited parameters, but you try to excuse those because 1) Quinnipiac was a very good team and 2) you imply the other time is solely the goalie's fault and even name him. I find that uncalled for, especially since you didn't call out the goalie who gave up the 7 goals to Quinnipiac.

The truth is that Maine hasn't been a good team for a decade and it will take a few seasons to rebuild if all goes well. A bad game like the Alaska game is just that, a bad game. I don't know if Coach Barr is the answer for Maine, but I do know it will take a few seasons before it will be possible to begin to answer that question. Coach Walsh had two losing seasons before his first winning season. And even with his winning records his 3rd and 4th seasons he only had a .500 cumulative coaching record after four seasons.

Sean

Stated better than I could - but thanks for the post, criticism of Ben Barr at this point is insane.

 

[Drew S.]

I was going to let this lie, but the more I thought about the post you reference the more I thought I should reply. Here is your original post:

I always recall my father saying there are lies, damn lies and statistics. I've worked with college hockey stats for a long time and your statement is one of the more egregious use of stats. Maine has given up 6+ goals at Alfond numerous times in the past several seasons, including their only game there last season. However, you discount most of those games because some of the goals were scored on the powerplay. Even then, there are 2 games you couldn't dismiss using your very limited parameters, but you try to excuse those because 1) Quinnipiac was a very good team and 2) you imply the other time is solely the goalie's fault and even name him. I find that uncalled for, especially since you didn't call out the goalie who gave up the 7 goals to Quinnipiac.

The truth is that Maine hasn't been a good team for a decade and it will take a few seasons to rebuild if all goes well. A bad game like the Alaska game is just that, a bad game. I don't know if Coach Barr is the answer for Maine, but I do know it will take a few seasons before it will be possible to begin to answer that question. Coach Walsh had two losing seasons before his first winning season. And even with his winning records his 3rd and 4th seasons he only had a .500 cumulative coaching record after four seasons.

Sean

I thought that stat gave context to just how poor the performance Friday night was. If you don’t think it’s relevant that certainly is your right.

If Friday had been a one off I certainly would view it differently. The fact that Maine has had so many absolutely horrible performances this year is what I find concerning. If you look at Saturday’s game Maine wasn’t great by any means but they were good enough to win(with their third string goalie.) That’s what we haven’t seen nearly enough this year.

 

[Fishman'81]

I was going to let this lie, but the more I thought about the post you reference the more I thought I should reply. Here is your original post:

I always recall my father saying there are lies, damn lies and statistics. I've worked with college hockey stats for a long time and your statement is one of the more egregious use of stats. Maine has given up 6+ goals at Alfond numerous times in the past several seasons, including their only game there last season. However, you discount most of those games because some of the goals were scored on the powerplay. Even then, there are 2 games you couldn't dismiss using your very limited parameters, but you try to excuse those because 1) Quinnipiac was a very good team and 2) you imply the other time is solely the goalie's fault and even name him. I find that uncalled for, especially since you didn't call out the goalie who gave up the 7 goals to Quinnipiac.

The truth is that Maine hasn't been a good team for a decade and it will take a few seasons to rebuild if all goes well. A bad game like the Alaska game is just that, a bad game. I don't know if Coach Barr is the answer for Maine, but I do know it will take a few seasons before it will be possible to begin to answer that question. Coach Walsh had two losing seasons before his first winning season. And even with his winning records his 3rd and 4th seasons he only had a .500 cumulative coaching record after four seasons.

Sean

Terribly inappropriate for me to say, but Drew is this thread's pet moron, and that's pretty much it.

I wouldn't bother to respond to his BS anymore. You're too good for that, truly.

 

[amkirby10]

Per the team's Instagram, LW Felix Trudeau will be officially joining the team this fall. He stands at 6'2, 176 lbs, and shoots left handed. In the BCHL this season with West Kelowna, he has scored 20-17-37 in 29 GP. He has 3 goals in his last 5 games, and 6 in his last 10. Looks like a very solid offensive weapon set to join us next fall.

 

[Drew S.]

Per the team's Instagram, LW Felix Trudeau will be officially joining the team this fall. He stands at 6'2, 176 lbs, and shoots left handed. In the BCHL this season with West Kelowna, he has scored 20-17-37 in 29 GP. He has 3 goals in his last 5 games, and 6 in his last 10. Looks like a very solid offensive weapon set to join us next fall.

They had Antonacci and Pabich the last couple of days.

 

[Sean Pickett]

If Friday had been a one off I certainly would view it differently. The fact that Maine has had so many absolutely horrible performances this year is what I find concerning. If you look at Saturday’s game Maine wasn’t great by any means but they were good enough to win(with their third string goalie.) That’s what we haven’t seen nearly enough this year.

You used such strict parameters to show how terrible the Friday game was that you only found 3 instances in two decades, but then say it is just one of many "absolutely horrible performances." You don't give any criteria to back up your statement, so I took a look at the stats I have compiled for Maine this season.

To date in Maine's games the goal differential has been 1.63/game and total goals have been 5.0/game, while the season averages for all men's college hockey games are 2.37/differential game and 5.76/goals game. When you remove Maine's three wins the goal differential only increases to 1.69/game, while the total goals drops to 4.44/game. So, in the games Maine has lost they have usually kept the games close. They have only fallen behind by 3 or more goals in four games (3, 5, 4, and 5 goals) and they have come back to win 3 games that they have trailed in (two of them by 2 goals).

The most notable problem Maine is having this season is scoring first, as they have only done that 3 times in 19 games, which is currently even worse percentagewise (15.8%) than last season (18.8%). Since the team that scores first has about a 0.700 win percentage playing from behind is really hurting Maine this season (as well as going 0-2-1 in the three games they scored first).

I haven't seen Maine play this season and I will admit that seeing a team play is important in evaluating it, but a person's view of how a team plays is subjective. They see what they want to see and overlook or dismiss what doesn't support their viewpoint, so I tend to stick to stats, even if they are imperfect.

Sean

 

[walrus]

Stated better than I could - but thanks for the post, criticism of Ben Barr at this point is insane.

Criticism goes with the job, win or hear about it from fan(atics) . But to say the sky is falling when it was lying on the ground when Barr got here is crazy.

 

[Drew S.]

You used such strict parameters to show how terrible the Friday game was that you only found 3 instances in two decades, but then say it is just one of many "absolutely horrible performances." You don't give any criteria to back up your statement, so I took a look at the stats I have compiled for Maine this season.

To date in Maine's games the goal differential has been 1.63/game and total goals have been 5.0/game, while the season averages for all men's college hockey games are 2.37/differential game and 5.76/goals game. When you remove Maine's three wins the goal differential only increases to 1.69/game, while the total goals drops to 4.44/game. So, in the games Maine has lost they have usually kept the games close. They have only fallen behind by 3 or more goals in four games (3, 5, 4, and 5 goals) and they have come back to win 3 games that they have trailed in (two of them by 2 goals).

The most notable problem Maine is having this season is scoring first, as they have only done that 3 times in 19 games, which is currently even worse percentagewise (15.8%) than last season (18.8%). Since the team that scores first has about a 0.700 win percentage playing from behind is really hurting Maine this season (as well as going 0-2-1 in the three games they scored first).

I haven't seen Maine play this season and I will admit that seeing a team play is important in evaluating it, but a person's view of how a team plays is subjective. They see what they want to see and overlook or dismiss what doesn't support their viewpoint, so I tend to stick to stats, even if they are imperfect.

Sean

An ‘absolutely horrible performance’ is like porn, you know it when you see it. Talking about this obviously upsets other Maine fans so there is no sense in me elaborating. I’ve found this year discouraging and in my opinion Maine has played way below the level they’re capable of. Hopefully with a different group of players we see a better effort level.

 

[umhockey91]

An ‘absolutely horrible performance’ is like porn, you know it when you see it. Talking about this obviously upsets other Maine fans so there is no sense in me elaborating. I’ve found this year discouraging and in my opinion Maine has played way below the level they’re capable of. Hopefully with a different group of players we see a better effort level.

I've found the last decade plus discouraging.....but now we have hope. Sometimes hope is all you have to hang on to. I like the direction that Barr & Co. are going in recruiting wise. I think that we will finally start seeing some decent D-men and forwards that can actually put the puck in the net(!!!). The crop of committed recruits from the BCHL look impressive.

 

[AMC]

An ‘absolutely horrible performance’ is like porn, you know it when you see it. Talking about this obviously upsets other Maine fans so there is no sense in me elaborating. I’ve found this year discouraging and in my opinion Maine has played way below the level they’re capable of. Hopefully with a different group of players we see a better effort level.

What is bonkers to all of us is your swing from a years long defense of the awful teams Red put out (papered over by Swayman for one year) to indicting Barr based upon a half season.

It's like you paved over your neighbor's flower garden, and now you are bitching that the sunflowers can't grow through the concrete.