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The 2018 My Team Got the Shaft from the NCAA Thread

Re: The 2018 My Team Got the Shaft from the NCAA Thread

Fishman'81 said:
OK, so why not just forget the RS entirely, and play that weekend tournament in the first place? Sure would save a lot of travel expenses, and that last game of 3 is all that matters, anyway... :rolleyes:
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Your argument about "one game" would argue there should be no tournament whatsoever. After all, a "better" team might lose to an "inferior" team in a first round game.

The ideal situation would be to allow each conference two bids - one for the RS champ and one for the tournament champ. If the two happened to be the same team, guarantee that team a first round bye and allow the NCAA to select an extra team. Of course, this would require expansion of the bracket, so it won't happen. (This is the way the NCAA used to allocate teams in the twelve team DI hockey tournament until the traditional 4 conference alignment was broken up and the new conferences (like the AHA) meant that there weren't enough slots available. With 4 conferences and 8 slots there were 4 at large bids. Then, along came the (then) MAAC and continuing with the system would have left only two at large bids.
 
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Ronnieb said:
Yes. My suggestion to any team is to go 50% during the regular season, no injuries, regular season games as practice and do nothing but prepare for the conference tournament. Absolutely no reason to have a successful regular season :):) AQ's have and always will be a joke in every NCAA sport that utilizes.
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except for maybe home ice:p;) advantage
 
Re: The 2018 My Team Got the Shaft from the NCAA Thread

Ronnieb said:
AQ's have and always will be a joke in every NCAA sport that utilizes.
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It depends on your goal.

If, as a school and as a conference, it is your goal to ensure access to & participation in the tournament, it makes sense. Right now, that's what the members choose to do: operate national tournaments of conference champions, with other teams added in to round out the field. And, everyone knows that coming in.

SNC may be a hockey powerhouse in a power league. But in every other sport, SNC plays in the fair-to-less-than-middling Midwest Conference. It wants that path and access to the national tournaments. And, who is to say the MWC champion doesn't deserve a shot? They are NCAA members just the same as every WIAC school that routinely ends the MWC champion's season in most sports. In D1 hoops, Florida Gulf Coast becomes Cinderella only because its conference has an auto-bid - otherwise it doesn't get selected.

Anytime a playoff is involved, there will be some sort of issue. A western conference NBA team may have a better record than an eastern conference team, but not make the playoffs. It happens.

Unless you subscribe to the position that every league should follow the English Premier League - two games home/home against every other team in the league with the standings determining the champion - a playoff will involve some inequity somewhere. While the EPL model works well for a 20-team league, I don't see how it works for NCAA sports.

So, you want to ban the AQ. What replaces it? All 12 hockey teams being selected by the committee? Look at the arguing for Marian/Utica/Oswego/Trinity. Now multiply that by 12 spots? That's a "no" from me.
 
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GB Puck Fan said:
Anytime a playoff is involved, there will be some sort of issue. A western conference NBA team may have a better record than an eastern conference team, but not make the playoffs. It happens.
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Remember the year when the Patriots went 11-5 and did not make the playoffs while .500 teams did?
 
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NUProf said:
WCAX used to try to make the whole area "New York Football Giants" fans.
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I am certainly not 100% New York fan.......I am a die hard Philadelphia Flyers Fan....In the last few years have lost interest in the NFL except Superbowl Sunday. I went with our family to an NBA game at TD Waterhouse Center back in 2004, I think that is the last NBA game I have watched, live or TV. I must admit though, I am a Yankees fan. I grew up watching all their games on WPIX. Lacrosse is not a big sport in the Plattsburgh area, but it is one hot sport in my hometown. I am from West Carthage, I ran firematics with Larry Powell, the father of Casey, Ryan and Mikey Powell. Some very famous names in Lacrosse from Syracuse University and pro Lacrosse.
 
GB Puck Fan said:
It depends on your goal.

If, as a school and as a conference, it is your goal to ensure access to & participation in the tournament, it makes sense. Right now, that's what the members choose to do: operate national tournaments of conference champions, with other teams added in to round out the field. And, everyone knows that coming in.

SNC may be a hockey powerhouse in a power league. But in every other sport, SNC plays in the fair-to-less-than-middling Midwest Conference. It wants that path and access to the national tournaments. And, who is to say the MWC champion doesn't deserve a shot? They are NCAA members just the same as every WIAC school that routinely ends the MWC champion's season in most sports. In D1 hoops, Florida Gulf Coast becomes Cinderella only because its conference has an auto-bid - otherwise it doesn't get selected.

Anytime a playoff is involved, there will be some sort of issue. A western conference NBA team may have a better record than an eastern conference team, but not make the playoffs. It happens.

Unless you subscribe to the position that every league should follow the English Premier League - two games home/home against every other team in the league with the standings determining the champion - a playoff will involve some inequity somewhere. While the EPL model works well for a 20-team league, I don't see how it works for NCAA sports.

So, you want to ban the AQ. What replaces it? All 12 hockey teams being selected by the committee? Look at the arguing for Marian/Utica/Oswego/Trinity. Now multiply that by 12 spots? That's a "no" from me.
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So make the regular season mean something with the winner getting the AQ. At least that makes sense. NCAA championship without the best teams is absurd
 
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GB Puck Fan said:
So, you want to ban the AQ. What replaces it? All 12 hockey teams being selected by the committee? Look at the arguing for Marian/Utica/Oswego/Trinity. Now multiply that by 12 spots? That's a "no" from me.
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I've said it a-plenty, but if there are AQ's in the offing, it makes infinitely more sense to award them to the RS champions.

And, in the absence of any sort of AQ's, there are plausible metrics to employ to rate every team against one another. (...I'd utter the "K" word, but that would prompt yet another tiresome dissertation from you-know-know regarding how the D-3 sky would certainly fall as a result.)

Thing is, it truly wouldn't involve rocket-science to make this joke of a process transparent and equitable. There would be no confusion, and no committees would be needed, except to site the games.

And I'd bet the farm that it would take little more than a few conference-calls among the D-3 old boys to get this done, and that the big-money NCAA brass wouldn't care one way or the other. (They clearly don't now, FCS!)
 
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Re: The 2018 My Team Got the Shaft from the NCAA Thread

Pool A:

Salve
Fitchburg
Augsburg
Adrian
Hobart
Trinity
Oswego

Pool B:

Utica

Pool C:

SNC
UNE
Geneseo
Endicott

This is how the field would look if the RS champs got the AQ's, and the AL's were self-selected via the KRACH... Far, far better.
 
Fishman'81 said:
Pool A:

Salve
Fitchburg
Augsburg
Adrian
Hobart
Trinity
Oswego

Pool B:

Utica

Pool C:

SNC
UNE
Geneseo
Endicott

This is how the field would look if the RS champs got the AQ's, and the AL's were self-selected via the KRACH... Far, far better.
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Try Again

MASCAC RS Champ was Plymouth St.
NEHC RS Champ was Norwich
 
Fishman'81 said:
Pool A:

Salve
Fitchburg
Augsburg
Adrian
Hobart
Trinity
Oswego

Pool B:

Utica

Pool C:

SNC
UNE
Geneseo
Endicott

This is how the field would look if the RS champs got the AQ's, and the AL's were self-selected via the KRACH... Far, far better.
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Far, far better? Oswego lost its last three games and couldn’t score. I don’t think them getting in would be better. Can’t wait for the UCHC AQ 😉
 
Fishman'81 said:
Pool A:

Salve
Fitchburg
Augsburg
Adrian
Hobart
Trinity
Oswego

Pool B:

Utica

Pool C:

SNC
UNE
Geneseo
Endicott

This is how the field would look if the RS champs got the AQ's, and the AL's were self-selected via the KRACH... Far, far better.
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And UWSP would still be the Pool B...
 
Re: The 2018 My Team Got the Shaft from the NCAA Thread

Fishman'81 said:
Pool A:

Salve
Fitchburg
Augsburg
Adrian
Hobart
Trinity
Oswego

Pool B:

Utica

Pool C:

SNC
UNE
Geneseo
Endicott

This is how the field would look if the RS champs got the AQ's, and the AL's were self-selected via the KRACH... Far, far better.
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Yep, basically best teams in the country. At least worth watching.
 
Re: The 2018 My Team Got the Shaft from the NCAA Thread

joecct said:
Try Again

MASCAC RS Champ was Plymouth St.
NEHC RS Champ was Norwich
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Hobart won the NEHC RS by one point over Norwich, per this site. But you're right about Plymouth; switch them out with Fitch and we're all set. ;)
 
Fishman'81 said:
Hobart won the NEHC RS by one point over Norwich, per this site. But you're right about Plymouth; switch them out with Fitch and we're all set. ;)
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Uscho for some reason keeps tracking playoff games for points in the standings which is obviously incorrect. I’m not sure if things don’t get coded right on their backend or what.

I can assure you norwich was the regular season champion.
 
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