The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

[MavHockey14]

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My swing at Bracketology for this week:

1. North Dakota
2. Minnesota State
3. Denver
4. Boston University
5. Michigan Tech
6. Minnesota-Duluth
7. Miami
8. Nebraska-Omaha
9. Boston College
10. Quinnipiac
11. St. Cloud State
12. Bowling Green
13. Minnesota
14. Providence
15. Harvard
16. Robert Morris

Big thing this week is that we're stuck in 2 vs. 3 matchups. Because there are 3 Nacho teams on the 2 line, and 1 on the 3 line, we're stuck with what we can do. Michigan Tech must play the Nacho team, St. Cloud State.

Fargo
1. North Dakota
2. Nebraska-Omaha
3. Quinnipiac
4. Robert Morris

South Bend
1. Minnesota State
2. Miami
3. Bowling Green
4. Minnesota

Providence
1. Denver
2. Minnesota-Duluth
3. Boston College
4. Providence

Manchester
1. Boston University
2. Michigan Tech
3. St. Cloud State
4. Harvard

All of the 3 seeds jumped around, to accommodate the MTU-SCSU matchup, and then a few other moves to reduce flights (BC to Providence, BGSU to South Bend). The only other move I made was swapping 4 seeded Minnesota with 4 seeded Harvard, to keep Harvard east, eliminating a flight. And it moves MN to South Bend, which may be seen as a attendance boost for that region.

I thought there were no attendance issues because the tickets were gone in South Bend?

 

[mcfarljd]

I thought there were no attendance issues because the tickets were gone in South Bend?

There's no $$ issue no, but will the Irish fans show up, resell, or just eat their $40.

 

[MavHockey14]

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There's no $$ issue no, but will the Irish fans show up, resell, or just eat their $40.

$$$ is what matters in the NC$$ eyes, I presume.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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I thought there were no attendance issues because the tickets were gone in South Bend?

We went over this a few weeks ago when I did the same thing on another bracketology. If you have a problem with moving MN for attendance reasons, just focus on reducing a flight for the team going east, it still would make sense in the NC$$ eyes.

 

[SJHovey]

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This is kind of strange.

Plug in these outcomes:

RMU over Canisius in AHA

Mich and PSU win B1G first round, with MSU ultimately prevailing over MN

St. Larrys over Quinn in ECAC

Mass-Lowell over UNH in HE.

SCSU over Miami in NCHC, with UND over DU in consolation

FSU over BG.

Unless I am reading it wrong, according the the "cut line" on the PWR predictor, there are 17 teams in that tournament!!

http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-predictor/pwp_55071eb73c256/

This URL doesn't show Ferris, but they would be in with an auto bid.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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So have Duluth, North Dakota, Mankato or Wisconsin host it. Or have the NCHC act as host.

Tech has hosted the Green Bay regional in the past, and that has seemed to be a fairly well attended location. I wish Tech and NMU would switch off and bid for it every year.

 

[Priceless]

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$$$ is what matters in the NC$$ eyes, I presume.

Yes, but $$$ also matters to the site. Yes, they have sold the tickets but they can make much more money on parking, concessions and souvenirs. This isn't necessarily an NCAA problem, but they also don't want to hang a venue out to dry as they need these sites to bid on future regionals. And as someone who generally watches the regionals on TV, I'm sick of seeing empty seats on ESPN. It looks terrible for our sport. Hell, if people aren't going to attend, give the tickets to local youth teams. At least they'll be enthusiastic attendees that fill the seats.

 

[Priceless]

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This is kind of strange.

Plug in these outcomes:

RMU over Canisius in AHA

Mich and PSU win B1G first round, with MSU ultimately prevailing over MN

St. Larrys over Quinn in ECAC

Mass-Lowell over UNH in HE.

SCSU over Miami in NCHC, with UND over DU in consolation

FSU over BG.

Unless I am reading it wrong, according the the "cut line" on the PWR predictor, there are 17 teams in that tournament!!

http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-predictor/pwp_55071eb73c256/

This URL doesn't show Ferris, but they would be in with an auto bid.

I'm guessing the tie between Quinnipiac and Boston College caused the error. So we just have them play on Tuesday to determine which team makes the tournament

 

[The Exiled One]

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So have Duluth, North Dakota, Mankato or Wisconsin host it. Or have the NCHC act as host.

Can a conference act as host? I hadn't looked into that.

Other than Mankato, I think all of the other schools are a bit too far from Minneapolis to want to play host there. Duluth is technically east of the Gophers campus, so they'd logically switch venues, which wouldn't make the Gophers too happy. The same goes for Wisconsin. North Dakota would likely prefer to host at Scheels Arena in Fargo if that was acceptably big enough.

I'd hate to think Mankato would orchestrate something like this before SCSU does, but I suppose that's always a possibility.

 

[Bonin21]

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Other than Mankato, I think all of the other schools are a bit too far from Minneapolis to want to play host there.

Wisconsin is hosting the FF in Florida.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Can a conference act as host? I hadn't looked into that.

Other than Mankato, I think all of the other schools are a bit too far from Minneapolis to want to play host there. Duluth is technically east of the Gophers campus, so they'd logically switch venues, which wouldn't make the Gophers too happy. The same goes for Wisconsin. North Dakota would likely prefer to host at Scheels Arena in Fargo if that was acceptably big enough.

I'd hate to think Mankato would orchestrate something like this before SCSU does, but I suppose that's always a possibility.

yes a conference can act as host but then no individual team is guaranteed to be placed there.

 

[The Exiled One]

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Wisconsin is hosting the FF in Florida.

Frozen Four is a whole different scenario.

yes a conference can act as host but then no individual team is guaranteed to be placed there.

Would the top seed from that conference be guaranteed to play there? SCSU, UND, or UMD would still be a good fit.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Frozen Four is a whole different scenario.


Would the top seed from that conference be guaranteed to play there? SCSU, UND, or UMD would still be a good fit.

no, no one is guaranteed anything if a conference hosts...

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Frozen Four is a whole different scenario.


Would the top seed from that conference be guaranteed to play there? SCSU, UND, or UMD would still be a good fit.

No. No guarantees. The Nachos could host the thing, and it could end up being MN, WI, MSU and Robert Morris there.

 

[The Exiled One]

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no, no one is guaranteed anything if a conference hosts...

That's sort of a non-starter then. The host is required to guarantee a minimum attendance number. Without ensuring UND, SCSU, or UMD, that would be too big of a gamble for the NCHC. That's also why the SCSU AD was skittish about my plan. Maybe if they could get the NCHC to underwrite their bid? One thing is for sure, they'd definitely have to coordinate their bid with UMN and the NCAA.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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That's sort of a non-starter then. The host is required to guarantee a minimum attendance number. Without ensuring UND, SCSU, or UMD, that would be too big of a gamble for the NCHC. That's also why the SCSU AD was skittish about my plan. Maybe if they could get the NCHC to underwrite their bid? One thing is for sure, they'd definitely have to coordinate their bid with UMN and the NCAA.

Well, in 2011 the CCHA hosted the west regional in St. Louis, so it has happened before.

 

[The Exiled One]

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Well, in 2011 the CCHA hosted the west regional in St. Louis, so it has happened before.

I wonder if they were happy with the result? Michgan probably drew well. BC, CC, and UNO probably did not.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't there used to be a real you couldn't host on home ice, or that the arena needed a certain capacity? I know I'm really late to this party, but I'm trying to figure out how Notre Dame gets to host a regional at Compton, especially when it only holds 5000.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't there used to be a real you couldn't host on home ice, or that the arena needed a certain capacity? I know I'm really late to this party, but I'm trying to figure out how Notre Dame gets to host a regional at Compton, especially when it only holds 5000.

The story is that no one else bid for it, so Notre Dame got it by default.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't there used to be a real you couldn't host on home ice, or that the arena needed a certain capacity? I know I'm really late to this party, but I'm trying to figure out how Notre Dame gets to host a regional at Compton, especially when it only holds 5000.

no one else bid...